Why Orthodox countries seem to be least developed in Europe?

[Laly]

I don't know how it is in Belgium but I can tell you for a fact that in Italy it is impossible. To marry a Catholic you need to convert.

Not true, they have the same Canon law in Italy, it's not like there are national Catholic Churches, like in Orthodoxy. I am quoting directly the Vatican. You need to ask for permission to marry a non-Catholic Christian, but it's totally possible. You don't need to convert and the marriage is valid.

Here are instructions on mixed marriages with non-Catholic Christians, by the Sacred Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith: https://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/c...-misti_en.html

[Östsvensk]

In the Orthodox Church, one can marry a Catholic if they sign a contract that requires their children will be baptized in an Orthodox church.

[Seya]

Not true, they have the same Canon law in Italy, it's not like there are national Catholic Churches, like in Orthodoxy. I am quoting directly the Vatican. You need to ask for permission to marry a non-Catholic Christian, but it's totally possible. You don't need to convert and the marriage is valid.

Here are instructions on mixed marriages with non-Catholic Christians, by the Sacred Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith: https://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/c...-misti_en.html

You need to participate in all these catholic ceremonies like "prima comunione" and "cresima" but before that you need to be enrolled in some courses at the church and only after you are allowed to participate. After that you receive a certificate. With that certificate only you can marry a catholic.

[Victor]

In the Orthodox Church, one can marry a Catholic if they sign a contract that requires their children will be baptized in an Orthodox church.

It's not a contract, I mean it cannot be legally penalized or something like this, it's more a promise to God to fulfill it.

[Seya]

In the Orthodox Church, one can marry a Catholic if they sign a contract that requires their children will be baptized in an Orthodox church.

Never heard of that before. Not here at least. You are not required to do anything...If you say you're orthodox, they marry you, you can even lie, they would never know. But normally only marriage with a Catholic is accepted. No other Christian confession is recognized.

[Victor]

You need to participate in all these catholic ceremonies like "prima comunione" and "cresima" but before that you need to be enrolled in some courses at the church and only after you are allowed to participate. After that you receive a certificate. With that certificate only you can marry a catholic.

I remember in early 90s everyone could get baptized even in one day, nobody cared about anything, some people were baptized just like some kind of a wish or "tradition". Nowadays you have to become a catechumen and attend catechism lessons and have a conscious wish to become an Orthodox. Same goes for godmothers and godfathers, they always have a long talk with the priest to understand if they're gonna be ready or willing to help the child in questions of faith, as it's the direct role of godmothers and godfathers, not drinking on the day of baptismals, they can be even rejected to become ones.

[Victor]

Never heard of that before. Not here at least. You are not required to do anything...If you say you're orthodox, they marry you, you can even lie, they would never know. But normally only marriage with a Catholic is accepted. No other Christian confession is recognized.

Here you give the Baptismal certificate or retrieve the copy by the request to the Patriarchy.

But you giving example like someone can do it by lying, does not mean it makes such marriage, the sacrament legal.

[Laly]

You need to participate in all these catholic ceremonies like "prima comunione" and "cresima" but before that you need to be enrolled in some courses at the church and only after you are allowed to participate. After that you receive a certificate. With that certificate only you can marry a catholic.

Stop your lies! You don't need to receive the First Communion or the Sacrament of Confirmation to marry a Catholic in a Catholic ceremony, if you are a non-Catholic Christian. You do that only if you are Catholic. But yes, you need to be informed by the Catholic priest before the marriage, to be taught about the meaning of the marriage in Catholicism, about family life and that kind of stuff.

[Seya]

I remember in early 90s everyone could get baptized even in one day, nobody cared about anything, some people were baptized just like some kind of a wish or "tradition". Nowadays you have to become a catechumen and attend catechism lessons and have a conscious wish to become an Orthodox. Same goes for godmothers and godfathers, they always have a long talk with the priest to understand if they're gonna be ready or willing to help the child in questions of faith, as it's the direct role of godmothers and godfathers, not drinking on the day of baptismals, they can be even rejected to become ones.

Here they just baptize you in a day. They don't do any of that, or not that I heard of...

[Victor]

Here they just baptize you in a day. They don't do any of that, or not that I heard of...

Here's rapid baptismal allowed only for those who are close to death or their life is endangered. In case if there's no priest nearby, ANY Orthodox can baptize the endangered person who's conscious enough to confirm he wants to be baptized, by sipping water or even sand over him if there's no water, three times, with words "In a name of Father, Son and Holy Spirit". In the case person survives, the only he needs is Chrismation in Church, no second baptismal for sure.