Do you think protests like those in France should happen across Europe?

[Mejgusu]

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Yes, I also meant French citizens with non French identity, I wasn’t clear there.

[Incal]

Here it's 65 years and we got no immigrants. French are just a bunch of lazy fucks.

[Tooting Carmen]

Here it's 65 years and we got no immigrants.

Apart from all the Venezuelans, of course. To what extent can they have their qualifications easily recognised, as I've read reports that e.g doctors from Venezuela don't find it that straightforward to be recognised in Peru?

French are just a bunch of lazy fucks.

It is true they like to protest at even the slightest welfare cut or alteration (for good and for ill).

[Petalpusher]

Retirement age used to be 65 and got lowered to 60 in 1983 when the GDP per capita was at its highest relative to the era (on par with USA and Germany) which was working fine as long as people were productive enough and there was no detrimental immigration to put a burden on the social system as a whole. To most people it's more a symbol of incompetence in the last 40 years than not wanting to work longer, especially since it's only to save 15 Billions each year, which is a nothing burger in the whole budget. Eventhough most people disagree with the reform and its effectiveness, at this point it's mostly anti capitalists protesting along with black blocks (antifas)

[Hulu]

Retirement age used to be 65 and got lowered to 60 in 1983 when the GDP per capita was at its highest relative to the era (on par with USA and Germany) which was working fine as long as people were productive enough and there was no detrimental immigration to put a burden on the social system as a whole. To most people it's more a symbol of incompetence in the last 40 years than not wanting to work longer, especially since it's only to save 15 Billions each year, which is a nothing burger in the whole budget. Eventhough most people disagree with the reform and its effectiveness, at this point it's mostly anti capitalists protesting along with black blocks (antifas)

That's an interesting number if correct.

[Incal]

Apart from all the Venezuelans, of course. To what extent can they have their qualifications easily recognised, as I've read reports that e.g doctors from Venezuela don't find it that straightforward to be recognised in Peru?

Oh sure, but they are not as destabilizing force as immigrants are in France or rest of Europe. And as you said, venezuelan professions are not easily recognized here, which is a grave mistake IMO.

[Petalpusher]

That's an interesting number if correct.

Estimations vary between 12 and 17 Billions, because it's very dependant on the job market. Pushing back retirement age doesn't mean people are going to actually work until 64 if they are out of jobs or deemed too old at this age like it's the case in most companies already. Even the government quoted 12 Billions at the beginning in January before trying to inflate it to make it appear more necessary than it really is.

D'ici à 2027, le groupe de travail prédit un déficit du système des retraites qui pourrait atteindre 12 milliards d'euros. Or, selon Gabriel Attal, ministre des Comptes publics, la réforme des retraites permettrait justement à l'État d'engranger ces "12 milliards d'euros [de] recettes supplémentaires "

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