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    Laly and Rothaer, re: the survival of Latin in Britain, as said Latin didn't take root outside cities/towns in Roman Britain, and the urban population at the end of the fourth century AD was only about 6%, so after the withdrawal of Roman troops in 410, abandonment of towns and probable emigration of many Romano-Britons it would be drowned amongst Brittonic speakers. Then starting less than 50 years later the Anglo-Saxons ~75% replaced the Britons (Celtic or Roman) in Southeastern Britain (where Roman settlement had been mostly concentrated) and culturally assimilated the rest, so a double-whammy.

    The idea that the French speak Romance because Romance speakers outnumbered Celtic speakers at the end of the Empire sounds plausible, but I'm more curious how the hell Latin came to be spoken by most Gauls in a few centuries without large-scale immigration.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Creoda View Post
    Laly and Rothaer, re: the survival of Latin in Britain, as said Latin didn't take root outside cities/towns in Roman Britain, and the urban population at the end of the fourth century AD was only about 6%, so after the withdrawal of Roman troops in 410, abandonment of towns and probable emigration of many Romano-Britons it would be drowned amongst Brittonic speakers. Then starting less than 50 years later the Anglo-Saxons ~75% replaced the Britons (Celtic or Roman) in Southeastern Britain (where Roman settlement had been mostly concentrated) and culturally assimilated the rest, so a double-whammy.

    The idea that the French speak Romance because Romance speakers outnumbered Celtic speakers at the end of the Empire sounds plausible, but I'm more curious how the hell Latin came to be spoken by most Gauls in a few centuries without large-scale immigration.
    Acoording to the mentioned linguist Udolph there were so many cities and so much city population in Gaul so that they simply majorised when the cities collapsed and all that folks moved to the countryside for a living. So there was a massive migration but a fine scale within Gaul.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jana View Post
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    What are some things about Germany that you think stereotypes or limited perceptions by outsiders and foreigners don't make justice to?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dušan View Post
    If you have option to choose, would you rather be western German, wthout Slavic admixture?
    Answer honestly.
    In addition to my first answer I can add that I'd not always state that I'm fine with whatever ancestry of mine in detail and would not have chosen anything else in accordance with your theoretical question.

    But in contrast to this the 40% Slavic ancestry do really not evoke other wishes. Maybe that would be different if that conditions of mine would be a fringe condition among Germans but it's not. And as for the internal reputation that has also no importance. I never heard of anyone being regarded negatively because of hailing from the eastern provinces and having also such ancestry. In broad strokes all that was also known long before any DNA tests. Reichspräsident Paul von Hindenburg (from the Posen province) was even seen as the all around respected "father" figure of the German Empire. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_von_Hindenburg

    It was the first time in my life that I heard that I because of having also Slavic ancestry would not be a "real German" when "Teutone" enrolled his theories. Such were unheard of even in the Third Reich.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rothaer View Post
    It was the first time in my life that I heard that I because of having also Slavic ancestry would not be a "real German" when "Teutone" enrolled his theories. Such were unheard of even in the Third Reich.
    Both Bismarck and Hitler would score having huge Slavic input so indeed when such theories are presented on TA I find it very bizzare. Austria and Prussia as leading German states were both essentially "half" Slavic and ofcourse that people there were aware of that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rothaer View Post
    Simplified yes, but he wasn't necessarly an anti-nationalsocialist. He was a pronounced German patriot that wanted to get rid of a very harmful tyrant that was on his way to destroy an over 1000 years old empire and the living conditions of its people.
    According to what they say, there are several reasons why he carried out the attack and coup d'état,
    One of them was that he saw that Hitler was going to lead Germany to defeat, Hitler as a military strategist was terrible, he decided to ignore the advice of his allies in Operation Barbarossa and that is why he caused many defeats, Stauffenberg saw that convincing Hitler to Retreating was impossible and besides the fact that the allies would not accept a deal while he was in power, he saw no choice but to eliminate him from power.
    The second was that he saw the SS as a hindrance since they were radical fanatics instead of German patriots, therefore by eliminating Hitler he was killing two birds with one stone.
    Another reason that is speculated is that Stauffenberg was not in favor of the anti-Jewish measures that Hitler had implemented in addition to the fact that he himself had Jewish acquaintances,

    The problem with the German national socialists was that they did not see any other possible leader besides Hitler, therefore the indisputable loyalty to Hitler was loyalty to the party and Germany, even if Hitler was going to lead Germany to the abyss, that is why the Nazis never made a law or order to, in a hypothetical case, overthrow or remove Hitler if necessary.
    If Hitler had died in the attack, the coup d'état would have been a success snd possibly Germany would have been saved from such a disastrous defeat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jana View Post
    Both Bismarck and Hitler would score having huge Slavic input so indeed when such theories are presented on TA I find it very bizzare. Austria and Prussia as leading German states were both essentially "half" Slavic and ofcourse that people there were aware of that.
    With the resentment that Hitler had towards the Slavs, I doubt it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jana View Post
    Croatia is identical. Talented people, ugly mentality. It's obvious we come from same root.
    Same here.

    Hungary could be a really nice place to live but Im starting to give up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rothaer View Post
    Acoording to the mentioned linguist Udolph there were so many cities and so much city population in Gaul so that they simply majorised when the cities collapsed and all that folks moved to the countryside for a living. So there was a massive migration but a fine scale within Gaul.
    This is what also happened in most Roman territories outside of Rome, Hispania for example.

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