Tengrism

[HannibaltheGreat]

Is anyone a follower of Tengrism here?
Or knowledgable of it?

Are past lives believed in tengrism?
Is reincarnation a belief in tengrism?
Reincarnation to what?
Are beliefs of angels accepted in tengrism?

What are some practices and principal beliefs of tengrism. I am familiar with a few. I learned alittle bit about tengrism not to long ago

[lei.talk]

𐰚𐰇𐰚:𐱅𐰭𐰼𐰃

[White Swan]

From Wikipedia:

Hulegu Khan sent a letter in Latin to King Louis IX of France on April 10, 1262, from his capital Maragheh in Iran.[125][126] Kept in the Vienna National Library as MS 339 it is both an invitation for joint operations against the Mamluks as well as an imperious command to submit. The letter provides key insights into the Mongols' understanding of Tengrism's relationship to Christianity as well as furnishing one of the first Latin transcriptions of Tengri. Only a few sentences from the lengthy letter are shown below (those with relevancy to Tengrism):
Deus...locutus est auo nostro Chingischan per Temptemgri (nomen quod interpretatur propheta dei)
eiusdem cognatum futuros euentus miraculose temporum reuelans eidem per dictumi Teptemgri nunciando
significans: "In excelsis ego sum deus omnipotens solus et te super gentes et regna constitui dominatorem
Nos igitur per uirtutem Mengutengri (id est dei uiui) Huyleu cham, dux milicie Mungalorum
illustri regi Francorum Ludwico uniuersis et singulis tocius regni Francie Barachmar (id est salutem)
Nunciando predictam reuelationem notificamus ut nobis mandatum dei uiui exegentibus eo indubitancius
acquiescere uelitis quo potestatem nostram ab ipso Mengutengri collatam diligencius consideretis

papam Francorum regem uel imperatorem fuisse credidisse, sed postea
diligentiori inquisitione habita intelleximus ipsum esse uirum sanctum deum iugiter orantem
pro nationibus uniuersis ipsius Misicatengrin (id est filii dei uiui)

Mangutengri (id est in uiuo deo) eternaliter sine fine ualete
Datum in ciuitate Maraga anno decimo, Nochoe, die decima mensis Aprilis

God...spoke to our grandfather Genghis Khan by Teb Tengri (meaning Prophet of God)
His relative, miraculously revealing the future through the same Teb Tengri
Saying: "On high, I alone am God Almighty and made you lord over peoples and kingdoms"
We, by the power of Mengutengri (living God), Hulegu Khan, leader of the Mongol army
To Louis, illustrious King of the Franks and to all France, Barachmar (greetings)
Revealing the above revelation we notify you to follow the command of God
Considering well that we received our power from the same Mengutengri

We thought the Pope was a King of France or an emperor, but later,
After diligent enquiry, understood he is a holy man who prays to God incessantly
On behalf of all the nations of Misicatengrin (that is the son of the living God)

Mangutengri (that is, the living God) eternally without end farewell
Given in the city of Maragha the tenth year, Nochoe (dog year), April 10th

The letter largely propounds the usual Mongol ideology and understanding of Tengrism with mentions of the supreme shaman Kokochu Teb Tengri. All meanings of Tengri including the sky, the most high God and "a god" are implied in the letter. Jesus Christ is called Misicatengrin or Messiah-Tengri in the letter. The Misica is from Syriac mshiha (Messiah, Christ) as opposed to Arabic masih. Another Syriac word in the letter is Barachmar (greetings). This points to the well-known Nestorian heritage within the Mongol Empire which used Syriac as its liturgical language. The Mongolian letter of Arghun Khan to Pope Nicholas IV (1290) also uses the word Misica for Christ. William of Rubruck reported that Arig Boke, brother of Hulegu Khan, used the word Messiah near Karakorum in 1254 (Then they began to blaspheme against Christ, but Arabuccha stopped them saying: "You must not speak so, for we know that the Messiah is God").[127] There are elements of syncretism between Tengrism and Nestorian Christianity with overlapping notions of monotheism and a traditional view of Christ as Misicatengrin probably dating back to the Keraite conversion in 1007.

Interesting stuff.

Also, the light colored gods are benevolent and the dark colored gods are dangerous and possess people lol. Another golden thread.

[Blondie]

As i know the hungarian tengirsm was a little bit similar to zoroastrianism, for example the fire worship. Maybe because nomad magyars lived close to various iranic nomads and they adopted it. You can see that in this video at 0:20

[White Swan]

As i know the hungarian tengirsm was a little bit similar to zoroastrianism, for example the fire worship. Maybe because nomad magyars lived close to various iranic nomads and they adopted it. You can see that in this video at 0:20

Glad you brought that up, amazing. Whilst I was skimming through tengirsm I had thought to myself it was reminiscent of zoroastrianism. Partially because the same types of conflicting information come up; "it's pagan, no actually it's monotheistic" (there is actually a better word that describes religions that include small gods yet worship only one Supreme God of them all, can't remember it, but its what Christianity actually is too with the Bible's "little elohim").

Anyways, makes sense, in the golden thread sorta way.

[Hexachordia]

I just found the word T has the similar references across many cultures, teo/theo, coelum(tsaelum as pronounced), teotihuacan(city of gods of toltecs), tian/chinese word for sky, torii/japanese shinto structure symbolising deities dwellings. Myself is about Hell, Earth, Sky trinity, none of them is souvereign over the rest but there is one unknowable supreme spirit.

[eastern]

Is anyone a follower of Tengrism here?
Or knowledgable of it?

Are past lives believed in tengrism?
Is reincarnation a belief in tengrism?
Reincarnation to what?
Are beliefs of angels accepted in tengrism?

What are some practices and principal beliefs of tengrism. I am familiar with a few. I learned alittle bit about tengrism not to long ago

The only tengrists you'll find on here are not actual central asian turkics or siberian peoples, but Turkish Turks who try to "reconnect" with their Turkic side. Nothing wrong with that but it can get kind of weird sometimes lol

[eastern]

As i know the hungarian tengirsm was a little bit similar to zoroastrianism, for example the fire worship. Maybe because nomad magyars lived close to various iranic nomads and they adopted it. You can see that in this video at 0:20

Probably yeah. Both are Central Asian in origin, with Zoroastrianism being mainly Iranic (although it's left its traces in turkic areas) and Tengrism being Turkic/Siberian. Not saying they're necessarily related though.

[Hektor12]

The only tengrists you'll find on here are not actual central asian turkics or siberian peoples, but Turkish Turks who try to "reconnect" with their Turkic side. Nothing wrong with that but it can get kind of weird sometimes lol

Not as weird as an ethnic Kurd snooping into business of Turks and criticizing any Turkish-Turkic world connection.

[Annihilus]

I am a cultural Tengrist