Tengrism

[luizceltic]

This image or a very similar to it was carved onto the 2 Sacred Stones of our Proto-Saami area.



Who carved them – I do not know, but all Tengrists should imo. be able to understand the ascension on the World Pole/the World Tree/ the World Mountain …

"The Vertical Path" ... and how in practice - it brings the "Horizontal" with it ...

and about the sami, the roots of nordic religion came from them

[White Swan]

and about the sami, the roots of nordic religion came from them

Please xplain more or share some resources, thank you

[Aila]

and about the sami, the roots of nordic religion came from them

I think, during the Proto-Saami era we were still very Shamanic, but the Norse paganism is somewhat quite different.

But perhaps the Norse, Karelians/Saami, Siberians, Indo-Europeans and Amerinds alike can trace some cultural roots back to Ancient North Eurasians, from where the cultures/beliefs diversified.

A long video if White Swan is interested:

[coolfrenchguy]

I am a cultural Tengrist

you have another one important culture aside tengrism it's newroz/nuwroz

The day of Nowruz has its origins in the Iranian religion of Zoroastrianism and is thus rooted in the traditions of the Iranian peoples;

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nowruz

but i was a bit more interrested by the old sumerian myth with the ANNUNAKIS and their maybe potential connections with a potential extra-terrestrial species,but i haven't digging more than that

tengrism is the asian steppers shamanism


even it's a bit far from but read : brinsley le poer trench: the sky people

[Annihilus]

you have another one important culture aside tengrism it's newroz/nuwroz

The day of Nowruz has its origins in the Iranian religion of Zoroastrianism and is thus rooted in the traditions of the Iranian peoples;

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nowruz

but i was a bit more interrested by the old sumerian myth with the ANNUNAKIS and their maybe potential connections with a potential extra-terrestrial species,but i haven't digging more than that

tengrism is the asian steppers shamanism


even it's a bit far from but read : brinsley le poer trench: the sky people

Personally I have no special day, you might say I celebrate each day.

[Aila]

More exactly Taoism believes the Big Dipper is a constellation of entourage to Polaris, which rules over death like Osiris or Hades, and it is also said if one person sees a phantom star in BD then that person will die soon. So it is right to say BD is connected to or dominate over the process of life and death of all living beings.


In Daoism, the Big Dipper has four major roles:

1. The Dipper indicates the proper orientation for performing meditation or rituals through the apparent movement of its “handle” through the year.
2. The Dipper was believed to have strong exorcistic powers as a divinity of the North and of the underworld. In Daoistic Thunder Rituals (leifa), the thunder is summoned from the direction to which the Dipper points (called the Gate of the Vital Force, mingmen) in order to expel demons.
3. The Dipper is the recipient of invocations to ask forgiveness for one’s sins and to have one’s name erased from the sǐjí or "registers of death" (死籍).
4., The Dipper opens the way to heaven (its seventh star is called Tiānguān 天關 or Heavenly Pass) in both meditation and ritual.2

The Dipper, therefore, has a double nature: it is linked with life and death and is associated with the idea of passage. It also divides good from evil and grants punishments and rewards. All the symbols that represent the connection between unity and multiplicity are closely related to it.

Thank you for this post.

I agree with you “Tengriism is a huge system complacent with Taoist, Tibetan, Turkic, Ugric even Buddhist elements, it would be interesting to see Tengriism revived in certain forms”.

And yes. Thunder in reality can be summoned, or one can be “awakened” by the sound of a “soundless thunder rising” (meaning other-dimensional) - after which the Timeless or the
Eternal, or the Sky descends (upon everything, like the “Cosmic Blue Pancake”), which is the vision when one’s awareness shifts (a bit like a trance state) to the World Pole/the World Tree/the Axis Mundi.

In other words, it is where “time stops” – yet from this perspective one paradoxically is still in time and witnesses how the timelessness unfolds itself as time. How the unmovable is forever in motion, how multiplicity is “oneness”. The Eternal Essence, the Unborn as manifest reality and this view is also realized as the Greatest Love of All … Or How "God loves all His Creation"

And yes – I trust that when we die, this view opens up and the Light that sustains all life starts to shine from the void. At first fear (of the awareness shift), then ecstasy ….
There are no angels of judgement, that is a figurative speech, but when we ourselves realize how we have lived our lives selfishly in the face of Totality – well …. it is our own awareness which judges, as it sees itself in that Light, which is Awareness itself ….

[Aila]

The only tengrists you'll find on here are not actual central asian turkics or siberian peoples, but Turkish Turks who try to "reconnect" with their Turkic side. Nothing wrong with that but it can get kind of weird sometimes lol

Perhaps our Shamanism is connected to Central Asian Turkic Tengrism via Chuvash people with whom we (especially Saami) share a lot of Ancestral DNA.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vattisen_Yaly

[Hexachordia]

And yes – I trust that when we die, this view opens up and the Light that sustains all life starts to shine from the void. At first fear (of the awareness shift), then ecstasy ….

Himoori/himuri is a cool concept of Tengriism, the spiritual wind by me, or spiritual horse by mongolians, you know those vortex symbols, note the chinese torch of 2008 olympics, we called it the Auspicious Cloud, in Taoist traditions, there are many interesting elements, this is one of them. On Siberia there are many mysterious ruins awaiting study, on some of them you can find such himuri symbols, they are reported as old as over 5000 years and as near as at least 3000 years. Ugric people can claim them as Tengriist sacred sites.

Search: Kaukasus Rusland dolmen

Search: Chinese Torch 2008

I can not enter many international sites but I can see the pictures only and do not know how to post pictures, you can see for yourself, notice the wave, whirlpool, vortex motifs on rocks, those are supposedly himuri, my own interpretation though, hope you like it. Tao, dao, I think Tao is better sounding, chinese language has undergone a process of phonetic and calligraphic simplifiction and it could be that Dao originally sounded as Tao.

After death the soul will be winged, angels are real and they are the vehicles and models of our souls, but I believe a few people who can attain sanctity in their lives through just practices can wing their souls while alive, when they die, the sky is closer to them than to common people. Light and Life, two common attributes of the ultimate Buddha Amitabha and AmunR, both attributes mean to be infinite. As death is transcient but life is aeternal: is my motto; darkness is a temporal form of light as well like death in life, defeatable, in Christian sayings: Absorta est Mors, I take it always literal not allegorical. I can restore Taoism, Tengriism into more universal forms in service to more common people instead of elite priviledged cults. When elites priviledge assume too much exclusive rights in religion, the system will be corrupted.

[Aila]

Himoori/himuri is a cool concept of Tengriism, the spiritual wind by me, or spiritual horse by mongolians ...
After death the soul will be winged, angels are real and they are the vehicles and models of our souls, but I believe a few people who can attain sanctity in their lives through just practices can wing their souls while alive, when they die, the sky is closer to them than to common people.

It is not that I ‘believe’ in the Winged Horse as such, literally, it is just a mythological way to understand certain energies that are real and the image fits its function so well as words at some point will fail to express other-dimensionally witnessed energies or energy-fields. Still, direct inner knowing or experience will bring that image up in the mind, very powerfully, as it ‘lives’ in the collective subconscious of the people who are culturally/spiritually related to that mythology.
If that link, that connection is still ‘alive’ within, shamanist, tengrist cultural/spiritual ways can be renewed, but to ‘restore’ those old ways from collected conceptual data-knowledge often turns into something else, it all becomes distorted and loses its ‘power’.

But “a few people who can attain sanctity in their lives through just practices can wing their souls while alive, when they die, the sky is closer to them than to common people”.
Absolutely.
The physically manifested reality at that point becomes like an empty holographic representation of the Universal Energies and is witnessed like a ‘Dream’. “To still be in this world, but no longer of this world” I trust is the Christian expression.
But one has to witness/experience it to know it, no data will ever ‘get it’.

I love, love love Rumi’s poetry & drumming & also think Sufism has Tengrist roots … no?

Sorry Hexachordia you can’t see YouTubes but just look up Rumi – “This place is a dream”.

The Buddhist version of Hiimori, which imo. originated from Bon and is therefore complementary to Tengrism, because of the overlap:
https://www.rigpawiki.org/index.php?title=Lungta

Caucasian dolmens I know nothing about ...

[Hexachordia]

The physically manifested reality at that point becomes like an empty holographic representation of the Universal Energies and is witnessed like a ‘Dream’. “To still be in this world, but no longer of this world” I trust is the Christian expression.

You are welcomed to discuss at length with spiritual issues with me, centered around Tengriism and Tibetan mysteries, I remember I promised you about finding out that sanskrit word for non-literalness concept, I had been running sporting in leisure times you can notice from my recent posts being less meticulous. But this is the topic I would spend sometime researching and discussing with you. I am sorry I had not respond to this promise untill now. But I am tryingt now. It is definitely an improtant concept of spiritual dialectics, like aeternity VS trensciency, I am who I am VS I am who I am not, I am here VS I am nowhere. I would also call it as the ontological paradox you can read my current signature, it means to imply such a concept, by reversing the chinese characters, I added new meanings to the original words. The magic of words, Bible is exploiting this magic and this deserves huge efforts to study, Sir Isaac Newton did this. AT last, I conceived an new idea to even make the paradox into one, as aeternity and transcency can be one moment after all...things like that.

The aeternal time at the pilar of the world, flowing time around it, very feasible for physics as well as religious conception of the universe. In Buddhist traditions, mount Meru or Sumeru is supposed to be the center of the world and, sounds like the Pilar of the world in Tengriism.

Buddhist texts and teachers sometimes refer to Mount Meru, also called Sumeru (Sanskrit) or Sineru (Pali). In Buddhist, Hindu, and Jain beliefs, it is a sacred mountain considered to be the center of the physical and spiritual universe.

Have you read my poem written for Spring Equinox this year? in my India should be China thread, that mount which gives the seeds of light into the ocean is Mount Meru. I believe mount Meru exists as well as the winged soul, I call it as the Imago, or the mature soul, the inner-ego, Paolo Coelho in his Valkyrie mentions an idea of the Second Mind, not the same with my imago concept but similar. I believe in our real life, even the world is a false representation, truth is attainable and in this regard, our conceptions of the forms of the truth would be just temporary, the true form which could be formless, or unknowable to mundanely living beings.

I am off to running again.