Tengrism

[lei.talk]

Wikipedia Former Presidents of Kazakhstan (Nursultan Nazarbayev) and Kyrgyzstan (Askar Akayev) have called Tengrism the national, "natural" religion of the Turkic peoples. So, during the 2002 trip to Khakassia, Russia, Akayev spoke out that a visit to the Yenisei River and the runic steles constituted "a pilgrimage to a holy place for the Kyrgyz" just as the pilgrimage to Mecca. Presenting Islam as foreign to the Turkic peoples, as a Semitic religion together with Christianity and Judaism, adherents are found primarily among the nationalistic parties of Central Asia.

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[eastern]

Not as weird as an ethnic Kurd snooping into business of Turks and criticizing any Turkish-Turkic world connection.

Not as weird as a Turkish Turk only seeing me for my Kurd side when I am literally also Uzbek? More genetically "Turkic" than you, yet I don't care about that nor about how YOU specifically believe. I never mentioned you in my reply. If you felt called out, then that's your problem. There are a lot of Turkish Turks who claim Central Asian heritage and Tengrist Siberian roots, yet will call me slurs like ch!nk and what not. If that's not you, then that's good! But I'm calling out the hypocrisy from certain people. It's also weird how you try to frame me as if i criticized the bond between Turkish Turks and CA Turks when all I said was that the obsession of some individuals can be weird...and then using my Kurdish ethnicity against me.

[eastern]

I am a cultural Tengrist

Cool, you're kirim tatar right?

[PAGANE]

Tengrianism is more a philosophy than a belief. Without holy books, without prophets, without temples, without heresies, without the horrors of hell and the charms of paradise. The whole world is our temple, and hell and heaven are here on Earth. Tengri bequeathed only to protect nature - his native steppe, forests and mountains, birds and animals, and this was in the interests of the nomads themselves. And therefore, historians do not know a single case when nomads would forcibly convert other peoples to Tengrianism.
The term "Tan" in ancient Turkic means dawn, sunrise, the beginning of everything, when "the light illuminates everything", when "everything wakes up and begins to live." If we take the later ancient Turkic concept "Ten" - it also means equal. Hence the idea of a dichotomous whole, consisting of a single pair, two halves. Not opposition and contradiction, but pairing as a principle of being.
The Tengrian equivalent cross is a graphic sign of the Creator. The center of the cross means the sun, the world, God, and the ends - the cardinal points, the flow of time from the past (left side) to the future (right side). The cross in Tengrism symbolized the concept of "world", from where everything originates and where everything returns.
Look at my avatar, this is a Tengrian cross, which is like a dome on an ancient Turkic yurt

[PAGANE]

[Aila]

I am not knowledgeable about the specifics in Tengrism, only where there is a general overlap with other shamanic traditions.
Maybe yous can fill me in ….?

The world of the shamans in Siberia and Central Asia, especially of the Mongol, Buryat and Tungus people (Evenks) is related with that of the Turk people in the High-Altai, the Altaic, Khakas and Tuva and with the Bon religion from Tibet.

Tibetan Buddhism could be added, since it shares elements with Bon.
http://www.face-music.ch/bi_bid/historyoftengerism.html


The first image that comes to mind is the Eagle, since Eagle was the first shaman or a lot of Shamans were/are initiated by the Eagle.



I would associate the Eagle with the Thunderbird, since thunder often heralds the descent of the Eagle:


https://metro.co.uk/wp-content/uploa...size=480%2C356

https://windhorse.com.au/sites/defau...?itok=fNNs_XuK

Amerind image:
https://i.pinimg.com/736x/35/6b/4a/3...eauty-nest.jpg

Or the experience/realization can also be described as “The Cosmic Blue Pancake” falling on one’s head:
http://balkhandshambhala.blogspot.co...ncake-sky.html

[Aila]

Are beliefs of angels accepted in tengrism?

The second image that comes to mind is Hiimori or the Windhorse, (human’s personal psychic power and an extra soul a Shaman is gifted with after the initiation)


Which rightly or wrongly I’d associate with Tulpar:
https://e0.pxfuel.com/wallpapers/260...rk-pegasus.jpg

[Aila]

The third image that comes to mind is the Wolf Totem or “Wolf Angel”, also a book which I highly recommend:

[placebo]

Not as weird as a Turkish Turk only seeing me for my Kurd side when I am literally also Uzbek? More genetically "Turkic" than you, yet I don't care about that nor about how YOU specifically believe. I never mentioned you in my reply. If you felt called out, then that's your problem. There are a lot of Turkish Turks who claim Central Asian heritage and Tengrist Siberian roots, yet will call me slurs like ch!nk and what not. If that's not you, then that's good! But I'm calling out the hypocrisy from certain people. It's also weird how you try to frame me as if i criticized the bond between Turkish Turks and CA Turks when all I said was that the obsession of some individuals can be weird...and then using my Kurdish ethnicity against me.

not sure about this uzbeks are 35-50% east eurasian that means you are 17-25% east eurasian. he’s from western anatolia he can be 15-20%. it looks like more or less same.

[Aila]

Are past lives believed in tengrism?
Is reincarnation a belief in tengrism?

Three Worlds …. the Upper, Middle and the Lower Worlds and the World Centre is a worldview I think all shamanic cultures share as well as the notion of at least 3 souls.
Without going into the depth of them …

In Mongolian Tengrism:
- the suld soul is believed to reside in nature after death
- the ami body soul reincarnates
- the suns soul also reincarnates.

https://i.ibb.co/ThL3B8K/3-souls.png

Animals are believed to possess 2 souls: ami and suns.
Source: "Riding Windhorses" by Sarangerel

Turkic Tengrism may explain these souls differently (?)

Sort of similar to old shamanic Uralic worldview:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mmA_...IrishinFinland