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    Quote Originally Posted by Tooting Carmen View Post
    Even Costa Rica? And that's the point - B01AB20 has always said that Latin Americans are easier to integrate into Spanish society than most other immigrants (at least among those from the Global South - there are lots of European immigrants in Spain too), for pretty obvious reasons. In contrast, CV and Smeagol hate Latin American immigration just as much (maybe more so in the latter's case especially) as other non-white immigration, while even alnorte and SK are best described as ambivalent about other Latinos.
    El tema en mi caso no es raza sino culturas muy distintas que chocan con la panameña y no se adaptan bien. Paso con los jamaiquinos en el pasado y con los vecinos ahora salvo ciertas excepciones
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    Quote Originally Posted by B01AB20 View Post
    In my opinion 'woke' is extremist and a danger to democracy
    If you mean e.g. trans activists who want to jail people for referring to people with penises dressed in frocks as "he/him", then they are a nuisance indeed, but such types are amplified and exaggerated in the media.

    and the 'Great Replacement' is not a conspiracy theory, it's real, it's happening before my own eyes and even the official numbers of spanish institutions say so.
    But is it premeditated or just due to a random confluence of different circumstances?

    Out of 48.000.000 of inhabitants in Spain not even 31.000.000 are real spaniards
    Define 'real Spaniards'.

    and only 25 years ago more or less everybody was native in Spain.
    And that is certainly an exaggeration too. Did you ever visit the Costa del Sol or Mallorca during the 1990's (out of season)? And for more 'exotic' immigrants, did you visit Madrid neighbourhoods like Lavapies and Quintana Rosa even back then?

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    Quote Originally Posted by axel.aleman View Post
    El tema en mi caso no es raza sino culturas muy distintas que chocan con la panameña y no se adaptan bien. Paso con los jamaiquinos en el pasado y con los vecinos ahora salvo ciertas excepciones
    I wouldn't call it 'culture' as such, so much as a lot of immigrants (especially from Venezuela and Colombia) who can be often simultaneously both very haughty and not actually that well-educated or skilled.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tooting Carmen View Post
    If you mean e.g. trans activists who want to jail people for referring to people with penises dressed in frocks as "he/him", then they are a nuisance indeed, but such types are amplified and exaggerated in the media.
    It's more than a nuisance.
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    But is it premeditated or just due to a random confluence of different circumstances?
    I think it's a random confluence of different circumstances along with lack of will of politicians/factual powers to prevent it.
    Whatever it is the consecuences are the same, we're heading to extinction.



    Define 'real Spaniards'.
    Simple, the ones who are not 'real foreigners'. People with all, or almost, their familiar roots in Spain.



    And that is certainly an exaggeration too. Did you ever visit the Costa del Sol or Mallorca during the 1990's (out of season)? And for more 'exotic' immigrants, did you visit Madrid neighbourhoods like Lavapies and Quintana Rosa even back then?
    I said 'more or less'. A 5% of foreigners is more than acceptable for a country with the huge appealing of Spain. Even during Civil War there were plenty of foreigners here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tooting Carmen View Post
    Even Costa Rica? And that's the point - B01AB20 has always said that Latin Americans are easier to integrate into Spanish society than most other immigrants (at least among those from the Global South - there are lots of European immigrants in Spain too), for pretty obvious reasons. In contrast, CV and Smeagol hate Latin American immigration just as much (maybe more so in the latter's case especially) as other non-white immigration, while even alnorte and SK are best described as ambivalent about other Latinos.
    Alnorte can at best be described as "middle Colombianer" (as in, pro Colombo-Chamo federation, while saying nay to Ecuador and Panama).
    "My name is The Patriot, my fatherland is Santo Domingo, my condition is Citizen, my religion is the love of truth and justice, and my occupations are to boldly attack vice and loudly praise virtue".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andullero View Post
    Alnorte can at best be described as "middle Colombianer" (as in, pro Colombo-Chamo federation, while saying nay to Ecuador and Panama).
    Yeah, I am for Hispano Caribbean federation, the mayor Antilles, Panamá and maybe Costa Rica if they don't refuse being associated with Caribbeans
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    Quote Originally Posted by B01AB20 View Post
    Even among the Left, there are many people who are sceptical of radical gender ideology, for example. In fact, no less a feminist icon than Germaine Greer recently said rather brutally, "just because you put on a frock and lop off your dick doesn't make you a fucking woman".

    I think it's a random confluence of different circumstances along with lack of will of politicians/factual powers to prevent it.
    Whatever it is the consecuences are the same, we're heading to extinction.
    Isn't this as much if not more due to the unwillingness of Spaniards (like many other Westerners and indeed East Asians too) to have children as due to mass immigration?

    Simple, the ones who are not 'real foreigners'. People with all, or almost, their familiar roots in Spain.
    To equate someone who has a granny from Germany or Peru with someone who arrived just yesterday from Quito or Bucharest is rather unfair, but that is what your quoted stats surely do.

    I said 'more or less'. A 5% of foreigners is more than acceptable for a country with the huge appealing of Spain. Even during Civil War there were plenty of foreigners here.
    Because (on both sides) there was a lot of silly romanticism that they were fighting for a Great Cause.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andullero View Post
    Alnorte can at best be described as "middle Colombianer" (as in, pro Colombo-Chamo federation, while saying nay to Ecuador and Panama).
    Even on that front he is ambivalent too - he only likes Andean Colombians, not really Coastal ones and in fact blames the latter for contributing to the downfall of Venezuela.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tooting Carmen View Post
    Even on that front he is ambivalent too - he only likes Andean Colombians, not really Coastal ones and in fact blames the latter for contributing to the downfall of Venezuela.
    En teoría los costeños serían las que mejor se podrían adaptar a Panamá
    Pero en esto foro irónicamente Lozano cae mejor que samario
    Este último salta cuando dicen lo obvio de su región o la comparan con la vecina Costa Venezolana o Panamá
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tooting Carmen View Post
    Isn't this as much if not more due to the unwillingness of Spaniards (like many other Westerners and indeed East Asians too) to have children as due to mass immigration?
    It's not that simple. 'Society' has made having a family in a luxury item, 'society' compels many women to choose between having children or a professional career... and all that could be addressed with political will.

    To equate someone who has a granny from Germany or Peru with someone who arrived just yesterday from Quito or Bucharest is rather unfair, but that is what your quoted stats surely do.
    Sometimes I think you like to argue just for the sake of it.

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