Did Arabs/Moors influence Spain in a positive way? Why Mongols couldn't do the same in Russia?

[Occiput in Starlight]

but you did threaten to harm me in the astral plane (still waiting)

This deserves its own thread.

[Incal]

Obviously. Moors never knew flamenco, American ignorant (forgive the redundance).

LMAO

[NSXD60]

lmao, Gypsies popularized flamenco in the century XX, not even one day before.


Obviously. Moors never knew flamenco, American ignorant (forgive the redundance).

Gypsies popularized it to foreign tourists which eventually made it popular beyond its borders by 1900. I meant Moors were less of an influence on popularizing Spain than Gypsy flamenco was.

[chinshen]

Not very likely since I dont see any canarians. And the tree parallals are full of Middle easterners propper, not berbers. Most people think of the first muslim invasion as simply moors but really, this was the Ummayad caliphate that invaded initially, which was from around turkey or the Middle East.

Neither Umayyad Caliphate nor the subsequent Arab Caliphates ever conquered or ruled what is now Turkey (Anatolia). It was the Turks from Central Asia both Seljuks & Ottomans who conquered Anatolia from the Byzantines.

[HannibaltheGreat]

Neither Umayyad Caliphate nor the subsequent Arab Caliphates ever conquered or ruled what is now Turkey (Anatolia). It was the Turks from Central Asia both Seljuks & Ottomans who conquered Anatolia from the Byzantines.

Yeah. Apparantly the ummayad capital was damascus. Which is in syria.

[chinshen]

Yeah. Apparantly the ummayad capital was damascus. Which is in syria.

That is correct.

[Gallop]

So historians are lying about the Moorish invasion of Iberia. There was no battle of Guadalete. There was no Caliph of Cordoba.

If it was anyone else, I'd think the person was just being silly, but you did threaten to harm me in the astral plane (still waiting), and you have a history of saying absurd nonsense (that the Tartessians were Nordic, which is not supported by anything but your mental illness). So I'd bet money you're serious.




Who is 'we'? Every population study on Iberia shows a NA footprint. What's the point of denying reality?

I never said that the Tartessians were Norse, I said that the Norse were already in Tartessos.

Secondly the Moors have never been or invaded Spain, you confuse the Iberian Peninsula of a specific historical period with Spain.

NA results in all studies? You are talking about G25 where you can get Iberomaurusian without having Iberomarusian snp in Gedmatch and so you pretend that we feel some affinity with the Muslim period?

The Reconquista explains the position of any modern and authentic Spaniard, you become like a sock just by naming the Muslim era, if you refuse to accept it is your problem, but that is already in our genes and it is impossible to change.

8 centuries of war, suck it!

And try not to misrepresent or manipulate the words of others, that is very ugly and can leave you in a position of unreliability.

[gixajo]

That's been proven (even here) to be propaganda.

I think we should all learn to see things in their fair measure and not be so conveniently unfair.

The Arabs/Muslims were the ones who kept and expanded the Greco-Roman theoretical knowledge during the dark years of the first Middle Ages, this knowledge was compiled in the medieval Christian monasteries of Europe and these two factors together over time allowed the European renaissance to late middle ages.

Just one example that they not only kept and served as a transmission belt for Greco-Roman knowledge, but in some cases merging it with knowledge from the East improved some things and came to us directly from them:

Numeración árabe/cifras arábigas

Arabic numerals

In this case, its contribution was universal, and it reached Europe and then the world through the Iberian Peninsula during the Muslim domination.

[renaissance12]

Spaniards dont speak Arabic, dont have Arab surnames and dont have the Arabic religion.
And the most important thing, dont look like Arabs.


which guitar??

Oh my God.. the Italian guitars OF COURSE...... what else ?

What a questions.. Everyone knows that almost all the beautiful and useful things in Europe are of Italian origin..

The worst come from extreme north or extreme east...

Wikipedia says the guitar originated in Spain..

Wrong !!!

The Spaniards copied -as if they were French - everything from Italy.

It's not remotely possible that something up until the Enlightenment didn't originate in Italy..

[Aldaris]

So historians are lying about the Moorish invasion of Iberia. There was no battle of Guadalete. There was no Caliph of Cordoba.

He is technically correct, but in a very strange way. There was no 'Spain' back then. And since the formation of Spain, there were indeed no moro invasions. I was confused as well until he explained himself. It's like saying 'there were no Arabs in Iran', which can also be considered technically correct.