Did Arabs/Moors influence Spain in a positive way? Why Mongols couldn't do the same in Russia?

[Incal]

It's not that simple. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_Golden_Age

That's been proven (even here) to be propaganda.

[Gallop]

How can you conquer something back from some people you claims never existed in your country? It's like saying "Celts never exister, they disappeared". How can they disappear if they never existed?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reconquista


I think he mentions certain technique or flamenco which might have Gypsy or Arab/Jewish roots...

The Celts were like the gypsies they were everywhere it has nothing to do with a war that lasts 8 centuries and evidently Spain has never been at war 8 centuries.

Do not get confused, we totally disavow the Muslim era in the Iberian Peninsula, I tell you that we made the Reconquest, do not forget it.

He thinks he can blithely pretend that we accept that damned era as ours, as Spanish, well, no, he is wrong.

[Methuselah]

That's been proven (even here) to be propaganda.

Propaganda is when some Arabs (or Europeans) claim that they have invented coffee, theory of evolutions and this and that where many contributed. Great Persians and even Arab scientists is not propaganda. Modern science was born in Christian Europe but also pre Christian Greeks did great things. Arabs and Indians too. How is this propaganda? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhamm...a_al-Khwarizmi

[Methuselah]

The Celts were like the gypsies they were everywhere it has nothing to do with a war that lasts 8 centuries and evidently Spain has never been at war 8 centuries.

Do not get confused, we totally disavow the Muslim era in the Iberian Peninsula, I tell you that we made the Reconquest, do not forget it.

He thinks he can blithely pretend that we accept that damned era as ours, as Spanish, well, no, he is wrong.

Well also Russians wanted to get free from the Mongol rule and eventually got free. But it is still part of the history.

[Cristiano viejo]

I think he mentions certain technique or flamenco which might have Gypsy or Arab/Jewish roots...

Flamenco originated in the century XVIII, boy

This is what happens when ignorant people play the role of intellectuals and Mr.KnowsAll

[Gallop]

Well also Russians wanted to get free from the Mongol rule and eventually got free. But it is still part of the history.

We disown everything and everyone

There is no other option, sorry.

[Methuselah]

Flamenco originated in the century XVIII, boy

This is what happens when ignorant people play the role of intellectuals and Mr.KnowsAll

Gypsies came to Spain around 1400 no? They are known as creative musicians so it's possible they influenced flamenco. Musically flamenco contains something very spanish, something middle eastern (arab or jewish) and gypsies could have been messing with these styles helping to create own unique thing. It's not a bad theory and certainly is better than your theory.

[Methuselah]

We disown everything and everyone

There is no other option, sorry.

Where that attitude stems from? Well, some people can be right saying Arabs/Moors did more bad than good in the Iberia. Go and figure.

[Colonel Frank Grimes]

The Moors have never been in Spain. Time and space cannot be altered at whim.

So historians are lying about the Moorish invasion of Iberia. There was no battle of Guadalete. There was no Caliph of Cordoba.

If it was anyone else, I'd think the person was just being silly, but you did threaten to harm me in the astral plane (still waiting), and you have a history of saying absurd nonsense (that the Tartessians were Nordic, which is not supported by anything but your mental illness). So I'd bet money you're serious.

We certainly did not notice any footprints of any kind.

Who is 'we'? Every population study on Iberia shows a NA footprint. What's the point of denying reality?

[Cristiano viejo]

Gypsies came to Spain around 1400 no? They are known as creative musicians so it's possible they influenced flamenco. Musically flamenco contains something very spanish, something middle eastern (arab or jewish) and gypsies could have been messing with these styles helping to create own unique thing. It's not a bad theory and certainly is better than your theory.

Everything of your post is irrelevant. Flamenco has nothing to do with Arabs/Mooors (the title of the thread, being the flamenco one of your reasonings of such supposed influence).

And no, Gypsies did not create flamenco. Flamenco was created by low class Andalusians from the Baja Andalucía (Southern Andalusia) in the century XVIII, ie 300 years later of the expulsion of the Muslims.

Agree that Gypsies appropiated flamenco and today is basically a Gypsy genre, but that is another story.

Source: this book, al Andalus against Spain, from the biggest Arabist historian-scholar, professor Serafín Fanjul