Did Arabs/Moors influence Spain in a positive way? Why Mongols couldn't do the same in Russia?

[Colonel Frank Grimes]

Where that attitude stems from? Well, some people can be right saying Arabs/Moors did more bad than good in the Iberia. Go and figure.

Here is the reality: Muslims are the historical enemy of Spaniards because wars against Islam created the Spanish state. So whether Moors brought more good than bad doesn't matter. What matters is at the heart of Spain's history is the Christian and Muslim conflict (even though Christians allied with Muslims against other Christian kingdoms and worked as mercenaries for Muslim rulers against other Christians... History is never so cut and dry.)

[HannibaltheGreat]

Very residual, only 4% and most from neolithic migration
Not from Al Andalus

I know a dominican that has Moorish Y Dna. Its moorish because he has a TMRCA with other Iberian spaniards around the same time of moorish occupation, but before that on the tree virtually all the branches are middle eastern / arab.
Its harder to prove muslim Iberian lineage (iberians that converted to islam) since they would still have iberian DNA even if they were muslims and then maybe converted back to christianity as a converso.

[Cristiano viejo]

So the descendants of the Muslims expelled from Spain look, 400 years later
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...ify-real-Moors

and so it is the dna of the Muslims than lived in Spain
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...found-in-Spain

[NSXD60]

The Gypsies popularized flamenco and popularized Spain by 1780 more than Moors ever did.

[HannibaltheGreat]

Yep.
Right here.
There is a dominican that has this Y Dna also but he isnt listed here. But you can see there is a puerto rican and another next to it. Then you see portuguese and spanish. And then you see palestinians and if you go up the tree its mostly arabs
https://www.yfull.com/tree/J-CTS5338/

[HannibaltheGreat]

This particular lineage was maybe a converso. As it only has a 200 year tmrca from the iberian lineage. Meaning it was only about 200 years ago his lineage split from the user who is above him in the tree. His lineage may or may have not still exist in spain between 200 years and now. Meaning conversos did survive in spain to very recent times

Although most conversos were likely paternally Iberians who converted to islam to avoid the tax burden from being christian. And then converted back to christianity. Theres no way Arabs would be able to outnumber the native population. So most muslims had to infact be iberians themselves who converted. But the top elite were probably arabs themselves

[HannibaltheGreat]

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[axel.aleman]

I know a dominican that has Moorish Y Dna. Its moorish because he has a TMRCA with other Iberian spaniards around the same time of moorish occupation, but before that on the tree virtually all the branches are middle eastern / arab.
Its harder to prove muslim Iberian lineage (iberians that converted to islam) since they would still have iberian DNA even if they were muslims and then maybe converted back to christianity as a converso.

Maybe have canarian islander ancestors

[Cristiano viejo]

The Gypsies popularized flamenco and popularized Spain by 1780

lmao, Gypsies popularized flamenco in the century XX, not even one day before.

more than Moors ever did.

Obviously. Moors never knew flamenco, American ignorant (forgive the redundance).

[HannibaltheGreat]

Maybe have canarian islander ancestors

Not very likely since I dont see any canarians. And the tree parallals are full of Middle easterners propper, not berbers. Most people think of the first muslim invasion as simply moors but really, this was the Ummayad caliphate that invaded initially, which was from around turkey or the Middle East.