Why Russia couldn't become like Scandinavian social democracy/more European at the time of Gorba?

[Rumata]

Unusual honest.

Yes. My dictionary had both variants.

[Methuselah]

Vodka as we know it nowadays was never the most popular Russian drink except for exact periods of Soviet regime. I'm too lazy to go into history of the question, but now for example beer is the most popular between Russians, like for 15-20 years already, while 90s were the vodka period, like never before or after. Vodka as a mix of alcohol and water was never known before WWII I think, before it were mainly moonshines based on wheat, rye or fruits the more it went Southern, in central Ukraine it was beetroot, in Southern Ukraine it were apricots, peas, plums, cherries. During Gorby rules moonshines and wines were strictly banned, beer factories were transformed into soda drinks factories, but import of pure alcohol raised times and times. It's a pure sabotage.

I dunno how it is now in St.Petersburg, but in last 20 years you could see Finns crawling through Nevsky avenue in Petersburg drunk like swines on spirits, not the locals. My father (born in 1947) said that when he was young (like 20-30 years old) it would be shame for him and people around to drink vodka, people mostly drank cheap wine or beers, of the spirits Armenian cheap cognacs were popular. Vodka and vodka drinkers were a target of comedian sketches on Soviet TV.

Nobody needed shitty spirits and state promoted vodka somewhere in Krasnodar, Stavropol, Rostov, Odessa, Nikolaev and up north almost to central Russia as there were fruit/berry sources of cheap homemade spirits and wine which are 10000 times better and tastier. During Gorby time it became a kind of state crime which could lead you to prison.

Pretty strong vodka did exist in Moscow Russia, but very strong modern vodka is indeed more modern creation. It's much more interesting talking with you than Rumata (who's point of life is shoot down anything i say) and i don't want to say you are spreading disinformation, but i still think you can become an alcoholic just by drinking beer and wine. Alcoholism existed before Gorba too. Of course 90's were very tough times.

https://www.theatlantic.com/internat...russia/279965/

What comes to some Finns being drunk like piggies is true but let's not forget how many Estonians and Russians overdrink. I can guarantee that i have seen it not only on Instagram or TikTok, but with my own eyes. And what i have seen is not human behaviour. So let's not bash one specific ethnicity being swine okay?

It's more like you don't care about what?

I really didn't want to all this fuss. What I wanted was to notice that the mammoth was butt hurt and that his thread was worthless and then to skip it. Don't blame me please

You didn't want to fight but you came to fight. It's like a teenage girl. Now let's just not embarrass ourselves any more, okay?

[Blondie]

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If youre not jewish or finnish then whats your ancestry?

[Methuselah]

If youre not jewish or finnish then whats your ancestry?

Russian mostly with Siberian, then Ukrainian and distant Polish. A little Finnic stuff. My maternal haplogroup stems from Siberia as we can see and direct paternal line is from Pskov oblast. Dunno where this Scando haplo comes from...

[Aila]

Russian mostly with Siberian, then Ukrainian and distant Polish. A little Finnic stuff. My maternal haplogroup stems from Siberia as we can see and direct paternal line is from Pskov oblast. Dunno where this Scando haplo comes from...

Interesting ….
Do you have any insights into your ancestry derived identity as to what kind of Russians they were - you are?

I think I have a little bit; - I feel it or at the very least I can imagine it.
”We know we cannot live in the past, but the past lives in us” is a saying, which I think is true.

A certain kind of nostalgia lives in my subconscious and collective subconscious about the ancient Novgorod, I cannot deny it:
https://foodperestroika.com/wp-conte...mzha-small.jpg
And it was from the time when Karelians, Saami and Pomors lived side by side and even mixed.

What made Pomors different, I think, was that they were never serfs, they did not develop that mentality.
None of my ancestors; be they Karelian, Saami or Pomor (& perhaps Komi) did.


Pomors:
https://www.rbth.com/travel/335597-w...-russian-north

https://thebarentsobserver.com/en/in...9/other-shores

[ugochaves]

Russian mostly with Siberian, then Ukrainian and distant Polish. A little Finnic stuff. My maternal haplogroup stems from Siberia as we can see and direct paternal line is from Pskov oblast. Dunno where this Scando haplo comes from...

Where does the haplogroup come from? From the Russian Varangians for sure

[ugochaves]

Interesting ….
Do you have any insights into your ancestry derived identity as to what kind of Russians they were - you are?

I think I have a little bit; - I feel it or at the very least I can imagine it.
”We know we cannot live in the past, but the past lives in us” is a saying, which I think is true.

A certain kind of nostalgia lives in my subconscious and collective subconscious about the ancient Novgorod, I cannot deny it:
https://foodperestroika.com/wp-conte...mzha-small.jpg
And it was from the time when Karelians, Saami and Pomors lived side by side and even mixed.

What made Pomors different, I think, was that they were never serfs, they did not develop that mentality.
None of my ancestors; be they Karelian, Saami or Pomor (& perhaps Komi) did.


Pomors:
https://www.rbth.com/travel/335597-w...-russian-north

https://thebarentsobserver.com/en/in...9/other-shores

Russia was born in Novgorod through the joint efforts of Slavs and Finno-Ugric peoples. I really like the northern Russian nature. There is a special epic Slavic callorite here. Why don't you want to return to your ancestral homeland? Can I ask a not very modest question, what is your phenotype, do you have Mongoloid features?
Some ancient energy of Kalevala emanates from you)

[Aila]

Russia was born in Novgorod through the joint efforts of Slavs and Finno-Ugric peoples. I really like the northern Russian nature. There is a special epic Slavic callorite here. Why don't you want to return to your ancestral homeland? Can I ask a not very modest question, what is your phenotype, do you have Mongoloid features?

It was on my bucket list to visit those ancestral homelands, but this imo. insane war now makes it impossible.

I have mentioned my phenotype so many times on this forum, that I no longer felt like repeating it, but here we go again …
Unfortunately, I did not inherit my gran’s somewhat “Asiatic” (Lappid, Uralid) looks, instead I look Germanic.

Some ancient energy of Kalevala emanates from you)

Thanks.
There are known Rune Singers and a known Saami Shaman in the family tree & I did so identify with this:
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...=1#post7696160

[ugochaves]

Pretty strong vodka did exist in Moscow Russia, but very strong modern vodka is indeed more modern creation. It's much more interesting talking with you than Rumata (who's point of life is shoot down anything i say) and i don't want to say you are spreading disinformation, but i still think you can become an alcoholic just by drinking beer and wine. Alcoholism existed before Gorba too. Of course 90's were very tough times.

https://www.theatlantic.com/internat...russia/279965/

What comes to some Finns being drunk like piggies is true but let's not forget how many Estonians and Russians overdrink. I can guarantee that i have seen it not only on Instagram or TikTok, but with my own eyes. And what i have seen is not human behaviour. So let's not bash one specific ethnicity being swine okay?


You didn't want to fight but you came to fight. It's like a teenage girl. Now let's just not embarrass ourselves any more, okay?

картинкой
Today I have such vodka. Consciousness begins to change, from a boring Finn I turn into a hot Ukrainian. if you want to know something about Russian alcoholics, ask ugochaves.

[ugochaves]

It was on my bucket list to visit those ancestral homelands, but this imo. insane war now makes it impossible.

I have mentioned my phenotype so many times on this forum, that I no longer felt like repeating it, but here we go again …
Unfortunately, I did not inherit my gran’s somewhat “Asiatic” (Lappid, Uralid) looks, instead I look Germanic.


Thanks.
There are known Rune Singers and a known Saami Shaman in the family tree & I did so identify with this:
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...=1#post7696160

I would like to say a lot about the war and your support for NATO, but it's useless to convince someone. You can come to Russia at any time and here you will meet a good reception. You are not in danger in Russia.