Romania forced to legalize same-sex civil unions by Europe’s top human rights court aka "Democracy"

[rothaer]

If I think better, you can't marry at all in a different state if your country of origin doesn't allow it, as to officiate a marriage in a different country you are asked to bring a letter of approval from your own embassy.

Given, you are a citizen of country A and reside in country A and want to marry someone that also is citizen and resident of country A and you want to marry in country B, then only the laws of country B decide what's required for the act there (which may or may not refer to some regulations in country A) and only the laws of country A (which may or may not refer to some regulations in country B) decide what are the consequences in country A of the said act.

I think that already this demonstrates - considering that we have some 200 states in the world - that there impossibly can be made a concrete statement that is applicable in all constellations.

But I can tell one out of thousands of possible examples. If A is the FRG and B is Nevada, USA, then the following is applicable:

You need nothing but your passport when going there. You have to get a marriage license (77 US$) that you have to apply for in a so called Marriage Bureau in B. You can apply for it in person (you need no date and it usually doesn't take longer that 15-30 minutes) or via internet. I don't know exactly what is the requirement for getting a marriage license in B, but clearly you need no more documents from A. Likely you have to declare to currently not be married and they maybe check for that in some register in B. Then you can go to one of the typical Wedding Chapels (costs 150 US$ upwards) and marry. By authorities in B you are then considered married.

By authorities in A you are considered married if you did fullfill the legal marriage requirements in force in A and did formally marry in accordance with the laws in B.

For being able to prove one's marriage in A you need a certified copy that you get in the Recorder's Office in B and additionally you need an apostille, also issued in B. With these documents you can go to the registry office in A and get your marriage recorded and also apply for a marriage certificate issued by the registry office as an authority in A.

[Cybele]

This is not about allowing gay marriages in Romania but legally recognize civil partnerships and marriages concluded somewhere else.

Please correct me if I’m wrong, but my understanding is that Romanian gay couples who brought the case to Strasbourg court, wanted (besides recognition of gay marriages concluded somewhere else) a legal recognition of civil same-sex partnerships and marriages in Romania.
So, this is about allowing gay marriages in Romania too.

The case was brought to the Strasbourg court by 21 same-sex Romanian couples whose requests to marry had been rejected by their local registry offices due to Romanian law stating that marriage can only be entered into by a man and a woman.

Florin Buhuceanu, president of the non-governmental organization ACCEPT and one of the complainants:

We don't want to get married in other EU countries, we want our family rights to be recognized here, especially to be legally protected, that's why we came to the ECHR as a family.

The Accept Association, which fights for the rights of sexual minorities in Romania, qualifies the ECHR decision in the case of Buhuceanu and others vs. Romania as historic and requests the Government and Parliament to adopt appropriate instruments of legal protection and recognition for all families in Romania, such as:
Amending the Civil Code to allow same-sex marriage and recognition of same-sex marriage concluded abroad; Legislation of the civil partnership, regardless of the gender of the two partners, registered by the civil status officer.

Currently in the Civil Code, only marriage between a man and a woman is recognized (same-sex marriages are expressly prohibited in article 277).

[rajputprincess]

Japan have opposite issue where most people support LGBT marriage but government is not changing it because all of them are very old dudes.
I think that you should do poll among young people. They accept LGBT more. Especially urban young people. Most old people don't understand LGBT.

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[Seya]

Please correct me if I’m wrong, but my understanding is that Romanian gay couples who brought the case to Strasbourg court, wanted (besides recognition of gay marriages concluded somewhere else) a legal recognition of civil same-sex partnerships and marriages in Romania.
So, this is about allowing gay marriages in Romania too.



Florin Buhuceanu, president of the non-governmental organization ACCEPT and one of the complainants:



Currently in the Civil Code, only marriage between a man and a woman is recognized (same-sex marriages are expressly prohibited in article 277).

They asked for civil partnerships recognition. There are only 6 countries in Europe that doesn't recognize civil partnerships: Romania, Bulgaria, Poland, Slovakia, Latvia and Lithuania. Even Hungary has such legislation.

[Chron]

Oh no some gays will be able to get married, truly fall of society

That's what people said 20 years ago, now we have kids who are "gay". Children having a sexual orientation when they're, you know, kids, is extremely concerning to say the least. There is a zero percent chance it's natural, either.

[Cybele]

They asked for civil partnerships recognition. There are only 6 countries in Europe that doesn't recognize civil partnerships: Romania, Bulgaria, Poland, Slovakia, Latvia and Lithuania. Even Hungary has such legislation.

• They (gay Romanian nationals) basically asked for legal recognition of their relationships in Romania; theoretically this includes both civil partnership and marriage. Buhuceanu which is one of the complainants in this case, advocated for gay marriages recognition through Accept NGO, for a long time.

• The Strasbourg Court obligates Romania (without regard to the opinion of majority of its citizens) to grant rights to same-sex couples, similar to those of married heterosexual couples, regardless of the legal framework in which these rights can be accessed. This means, without making express reference to the granting of the right to marry.
  The Romanian Government argued that these rights could be replicated by private contractual arrangements, but the Court rejected the argument.

• If the Strasbourg Court’s decision will be enforced (either Romania doesn’t appeal to a higher court or loses), the State will have to decide which form of recognition will grant to the Romanian gay couples (this is about nationals, not foreigners). Since the ECHR does not make express reference to marriage, the recognition could come in the form of civil partnerships, for now.

France for example, at first created PACS (le pacte civil de solidarité), a contract / civil partnership between private parties, which also allows same-sex couples to organize their common life, establishing rights and obligations. And when the society was "ready", through reforms, they passed legislation which allowed for same-sex marriages. And from there, all the rest.
So, through this basically undemocratic decision from ECHR, it can start a chain of transformations for Romania, which may lead to what dviz has pointed.

[dviz]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/sKgIVZ31wms

^ this is the purely evil way in which this nonsense creep up in the society: it's introduced in schools under the pretext of "inclusivity" and the new generations of children will adopt it as the "new normal". And guess what, children will have to adapt to this environment, because among their classmates or even friends there will be indoctrinated children who will come out as gay or trans (and do that before reaching puberty, even though it doesn't make any sense, but what is common sense these days?). This is the new reality in Western schools after 20 years of relentless brainwashing.

Also note how "celebrating" this nonsense becomes mandatory, even though initially ordinary people were asked by LGBT activists "why do they care"?
This is why we care, for not repeating the same shit in Eastern Europe.

[Cybele]

An update:

• The Romanian state, has not appealed so far to a higher court within the ECHR to denounce their decision. By the looks of it, it most probably does not intend to do it.

• The Romanian government through the minister of internal affairs, Cătălin Predoiu, introduced a new bill. The bill is aimed at recognizing the right for residence in Ro, for gay foreign citizens that are married to Romanian citizens, having their same-sex marriage concluded outside of Romania. The bill in question is based on a number of rulings of the EU Court of Justice, which aim to end discrimination regarding the freedom of movement inside the EU. Through this bill Romania implements the Coman and Hamilton judgment, a same-sex Romanian-American couple, married in Brussels. In 2018, the Court of Justice of the European Union delivered judgment C 673/161 in favor of Coman and Hamilton, clarifying that the term ‘spouse’ in EU free movement law includes same sex spouses. The judgment meant that all EU countries must treat same sex couples in the same way as different sex couples when they exercise their right to free movement.

Until now, if a Romanian citizen got married to a same-sex person from outside Romania, his partner would not be able to reside in Romania longer than the duration of his visa. If he wanted to reside longer, he had to get the marriage recognized by Romanian authorities which would deny it, since it was a same-sex marriage.

This is going to change, as the condition to have the same-sex marriage recognized in Romania will no longer be demanded, allowing the couple to reside together in the country. The bill also aims to prolong the duration of the visa for foreign citizens that are married to Romanian citizens so the couple won’t be broken apart after the visa expires. The prolonging will be able to be extended by the interested parties only by showing that they are a “family”, showing the marriage act, same-sex or not.
In order to be applied, the bill must be adopted by the Government and the Parliament, promulgated by presidential decree and published in the government gazette (Official Monitor of Romania).


https://www.fanatik.ro/casatoriile-g...terne-20429993
https://r3media.ro/guvernul-ciolacu-...e-acelasi-sex/
https://www.avocatnet.ro/articol_647...8%99i-sex.html

[robertb]

It doesn't matter what the people want, it's what the people with power want. All Europe needed to do is look what happened in the US to see what not to do. Yeah like people here see it and people in Europe see it but all the powerful people will do as they like and they are global.

I have no doubt most Romanians don't want gay marriage but mark my word it WILL be forced down your throat, maybe not today but soon.

[dviz]

It doesn't matter what the people want, it's what the people with power want. All Europe needed to do is look what happened in the US to see what not to do. Yeah like people here see it and people in Europe see it but all the powerful people will do as they like and they are global.

I have no doubt most Romanians don't want gay marriage but mark my word it WILL be forced down your throat, maybe not today but soon.

Romanian elites are not part of the global elites, and are not keen to change the law, despite the relentless pressure at European level. They would rather keep making money and not stir the pot.