Average proto indo aryan phenotype

[gixajo]

There are three potential groupings that, when mixed in various combinations, could be responsible for the creation of the Ancestral North Indian and Ancestral South Indian Populations.

The first are South Asian hunter-gatherers, described in this study as Ancient Ancestral South Indians or AASI, the oldest people of the subcontinent, related to modern-day Andaman islanders.
Then there are Iranian agriculturists, who were known to have come to the subcontinent, possibly bringing certain forms of cultivation of wheat and barley with them.
And finally, there are the Steppe pastoralists, the inhabitants of the vast Central Asian grasslands to the north of Afghanistan, who were previously known as ‘Aryans.’

Actually is an issue still under discussion.

Some form of “Aryan” migration did take place, even if that term is not used. The introduction of Steppe pastoralists into the subcontinent might have been the way what we know as Indo-European language and culture spread, since it was the same lot of Steppe peoples that also moved West into Europe.
Moreover, there may be connection between the Steppe migration and priestly caste and culture. The researchers say they found 10 out of 140 Indian groups with a higher amount of Steppe ancestry compared to Indus Valley ancestry. These two were titled “Brahmin_Tiwari” and “Brahmin_UP”. More generally groups of priestly status seem to have higher Steppe ancestry, suggesting those with this mixture may have had a central role in spreading Vedic culture.
The Out of India theory is now even more unlikely, at least at the genetic level. The researchers say early Iranian agriculturists did not have any significant mixture of South Asian hunter-gatherer ancestry, “and thus the patterns we observe are driven by gene flow into South Asia and not the reverse”.
That said, there is some evidence of movement of the Indus Valley people out towards the Turan area, based on data from the Bactria-Margiana Archaeological Complex. Ancestries of people there suggest some very small amount of South Asian hunter-gatherer mixture, and the presence of the three outlier individuals is believed to possibly be proof of Indus Valley inhabitants migrating to Turan.
The Indus Valley Civilisation ancient DNA data from the Haryana site of Rakhigarhi, which was supposed to be released last month, should add to this picture of the ancestry of South Asian populations
For further reading, see these two pieces by Razib Khan and the aforementioned analysis by Tony Joseph.

Aryan migration: Everything you need to know about the new study on Indian genetics

Rohan Venkataramakrishnan
Apr 02, 2018

That article is based on this paper:

The Genomic Formation of South and Central Asia

Authors: Vagheesh M. Narasimhan,, Nick Patterson,, Priya Moorjani,, Iosif Lazaridis et al.

[Joeary]

Yamnaya


Corded ware


Kumsay


Sintashta

Another sintashta facial reconstruction

[Joeary]

Now more seriously.





Allentoft et al.(2015)

Sintashta culture (probably) is related genetically with "proto-Indo-Aryan", but they were not themselves "proto-Indo-Aryan" in the sense that the true "proto-Indo-Aryan" would be those who started the migration and that centuries/millennia after brought to Europe Indoeuropean languages, culture etc...after a large trip in which they accumulated different and varied genetic contributions.

Sintashta culture is dated about 2200–1900 BCE so there must be better representative of what you called "proto-Indo-Aryan", because a "proto-Indo-Aryan" would be peoples/cultures who preceded the "Indo-Aryan" and Sintashta are not even in stricto senso "Indo-Aryan" but one of the groups derived from them, that is, descendants of them.

But well, everything is debatable, but that right now we don't know how they were exactly those who started that journey, and that Sintashta MLBA would not be the norm to describe what those supposed "proto-Indo-Aryans" were like.

I would say that some modern West Asian/Central Asian mixed people should be more representative in modern times what those "proto-Indo-Aryan" look like, but actually nowadays any people is similar to them.

I don't have any problem that you think that the Scandinavians are the ones that would look the most like them, but I don't think so.

No they would not, west Asians and kalasha don't look like proto indo iranians, only the ones who are atypical and white have inherited their looks, someone who is only 20 percent sintashta mlba like kalash or 50 percent sintashta mlba like pamiris is a very bad example, show me a person who's at least 70-75 sintashta, then they'd be representative, other than that everything you wrote is garbage and your logic is like saying that "oh!this half swede and half south Indian looks rather middle eastern, so therefore his swedish ancestors must look middle eastern!!!!" See how dumb you sound? A person who derives 1/3 of sintashta ancestry will never be exemplar, sorry bud, but they looked scandanvian

[Joeary]

why are you so fixated on this White Indo-Aryan stuff? There is nothing special about a white phenotype. Highlighting the minority of Afghans/Pakistanis/North Indians who fit the look is fine every once in a while but every single thread of yours is like this. What's the point?

People have a presumptuous notion that aryans were mostly corded nordid or "east nordid" and any other phenotype existing amongst them is out of the question, that illustration has a basis formed out of a pseudoscience piece of literature from a early 1900s age, I'm simply showing that they were not only corded nordid or whatever but they largely had nw european or north european phenotypes as well like borreby, faelid, tronder and hallstatt nordid and even keltic nordid and kelto saxon/anglo saxon type

[Joeary]

Fantastic.

So if Sintashta_MLBA and Swedish have a distance of 5.7 Portugueses and Northern French look even more the same because they show a shortest distance of 5.2. Is that? And Welsh look like Spanish from Araba province in Basque Country because they show a distance of 5.7...

And with a gap of several thousand years in the case of Sintashta and modern Scandinavian Swedish, in this case!!!

Glad to know this, thanks.

Yes it's probable, both derive largely from corded ware culture so they both looked like corded ware people lol, it's simple math figure it out

[Joeary]

He looks Aryan, but quite soft faced (more like modern version of this phenotype). He probably could have passed, but average proto Indo-Iranians were more robust (very chiseled features) and they had some of their own "ethnic" features too:
- more sloping forehead
- big convex nose

They were more robust but they didn't have much ethnic features

Here's a proto indo iranian reconstruction

She is classified as Kelto-saxon, look at her very sharp nose, overall looks dutch or northern English or norweigan

[NSXD60]

They were more robust but they didn't have much ethnic features

Here's a proto indo iranian reconstruction

She is classified as Kelto-saxon, look at her very sharp nose, overall looks dutch or northern English or norweigan

She looks like a female Gordan Lightfoot, albeit with an underbite.

[Joeary]

She looks like a female Gordan Lightfoot, albeit with an underbite.

Thats a phenomenon that exists amongst modern germanics, the women are often robust to the point they look like dudes