Philosophical origins of National Socialism

[Colonel Frank Grimes]

He's referencing Peikoff (an Ayn Rand acolyte). I have issues with Peikoff but not on this subject. He hit the nail on the head.

[Sebastianus Rex]

Kind of clueless for someone who has read The Pink Swastika.

[Tooting Carmen]

Kind of clueless for someone who has read The Pink Swastika.

That fraudulent book written by Christian fundamentalists claiming that the Nazis were basically a gay movement?

[Sebastianus Rex]

That fraudulent book written by Christian fundamentalists claiming that the Nazis were basically a gay movement?

Why fraudulent ? It is becoming increasingly established that Hitler was male prostitute during his youth and had many jewish clients in Vienna, and so that the SD officers were mostly homossexuals.

Besides there's an undeniable homoerotic allure to the whole Nazi aesthetics, I don't see the problem admitting it, we are individuals, it doesn't make you or other gay people better or worse person's because of it, like it doesn't make me a better or worse person for being white/Portuguese which are groups that enslaved and committed many atrocities and so did heterosexuals and I'm one.

Be a bit more mature about it.

[Tooting Carmen]

Why fraudulent ? It is becoming increasingly established that Hitler was male prostitute during his youth and had many jewish clients in Vienna, and so that the SD officers were mostly homossexuals.

Besides there's an undeniable homoerotic allure to the whole Nazi aesthetics, I don't see the problem admitting it, we are individuals, it doesn't make you or other gay people better or worse person's because of it, like it doesn't make me a better or worse person for being white/Portuguese which are groups that enslaved and committed many atrocities and so did heterosexuals and I'm one.

Be a bit more mature about it.

While there was certainly a gay and sexual libertine element to the Nazis (in this respect, they were indeed very different to the Spanish and Portuguese Falangists, who were much more uniformly and unambiguously socially/religiously conservative), inasmuch as it was an important element at all, it came to an end following the Night of the Long Knives, from whenceforth gays were sent in their thousands to the concentration camps, with pornography, prostitution and abortion (for "Aryans") also banned.

[Sebastianus Rex]

While there was certainly a gay and sexual libertine element to the Nazis (in this respect, they were indeed very different to the Spanish and Portuguese Falangists, who were much more uniformly and unambiguously socially/religiously conservative), inasmuch as it was an important element at all, it came to an end following the Night of the Long Knives, from whenceforth gays were sent in their thousands to the concentration camps, with pornography, prostitution and abortion (for "Aryans") also banned.

Well that's the official history, which is precisely what the book questions pointing many reasonable facts/arguments.

If you think about it, a group of non effeminate homosexuals has all the potential to be the ideal fighting/military force...no bride/wife/children waiting at home (less to lose), higher affective ties between the brothers in arms, stronger group cohesion etc. The Roman legions were for centuries organized according to family ties, the men would fight better with more discipline and sacrifice spirit if they had their own blood next to them...the same principle would be easier to achieve with a homosexual unit. Besides it is documented that there have been several very successful armies throughout history where homosexuality was common, so the idea of the Nazis taking advantage of that is not absurd at all.

[Tooting Carmen]

Well that's the official history, which is precisely what the book questions pointing many reasonable facts/arguments.

If you think about it, a group of non effeminate homosexuals has all the potential to be the ideal fighting/military force...no bride/wife/children waiting at home (less to lose), higher affective ties between the brothers in arms, stronger group cohesion etc. The Roman legions were for centuries organized according to family ties, the men would fight better with more discipline and sacrifice spirit if they had their own blood next to them...the same principle would be easier to achieve with a homosexual unit. Besides it is documented that there have been several very successful armies throughout history where homosexuality was common, so the idea of the Nazis taking advantage of that is not absurd at all.

I don't deny there was an element of this in Nazism, but it is almost certainly exaggerated by those Christian fundamentalists and distracts from the significant puritanical and socially authoritarian strains that certainly were dominant come 1939. This being said, it is a kind of open secret that, in 'macho' sports like rugby and wrestling, homosexual experiences are far from uncommon, especially in the former where traditionally there'd be long tours sans wife or girlfriend. All the same, fully gay wrestlers and rugby players are still relatively rare.

[lei.talk]

It is becoming increasingly established that
Hitler was male prostitute during his youth and had many jewish clients in Vienna,

and so that the SD officers were mostly homossexuals.

we have carefully documented
the homo-erotic activities of ernst röhm and his coterie
at wikipedia.

where can we find the documentation
of hitler's time as a prostitute to jewish homosexuals?

[Sebastianus Rex]

we have carefully documented
the homo-erotic activities of ernst röhm and his coterie
at wikipedia.

where can we find the documentation
of hitler's time as a prostitute to jewish homosexuals?

Several sources actually, the 1945 book The German Vice, the book The Hidden Hitler, The Pink Swastika among others. There's also a 70 page US Intelligence Report from 1943, the male dormitory/hostel where he spent 3 years in Vienna was a known place where elderly men went in search for younger men.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...rt-claims.html

Besides it is also common knowledge, mentioned on several books, that while he was a painter he dealt mostly with jewish patrons/clients. On his entourage/ inner circle there was several known (or closet) homosexuals, his chauffer and personal friend Emile Maurice ( who was admittedly half Jewish btw), Rudolf Hess (who was Hitler's cell mate in Landsberg and a notorious cross dresser nicknamed Fraulein Anna among homosexual circles), and of course Rohm among several others.

Of course a lot of evidence and information has been scrubbed by mainstream historians or destroyed after the Long Knives event but there's plenty of smoke about it.

[axel.aleman]

While there was certainly a gay and sexual libertine element to the Nazis (in this respect, they were indeed very different to the Spanish and Portuguese Falangists, who were much more uniformly and unambiguously socially/religiously conservative), inasmuch as it was an important element at all, it came to an end following the Night of the Long Knives, from whenceforth gays were sent in their thousands to the concentration camps, with pornography, prostitution and abortion (for "Aryans") also banned.

Winston Churchill seems to have been clairvoyant, he predicted that the fascists of the future would be called anti-fascists