Divison of Europe north/south or east/west?

[rothaer]

Given, Europe as for descriptive terms were to be divided into two parts only, would a division in north and south or a division in east and west be more founded? Feel free to elaborate.

And how would the border be?

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[Russki]

When making the Krasnodar Krai of Russia I was guided by a large Caucasian population, aswell as their possible descendants.

When making Ukraine I was guided by Greek, Romanian and Bulgarian flags, aswell as their possible descendants.

[Jana]

I feel north south division is bigger one but that's just my view.

[rothaer]

Considering all aspects, cultural, political, ethnical, genetical, historical, climatical and geographical, a North/south division would make more sense (not denying that an east/west division would have a number of points as well), essentially distinguishing the Mediterranean world from the rest. The barriers of Pyrenees, Alps and Carpathians are all going roughly east to west and ”disturbing” an even and continouus cline in all directions regarding a number of aspects.

As for the border in detail:

- In Northern Italy I followed the German-Italian ethnic border.
- In France I followed in a big compromise of aspects my feeling after having adjusted it forth and back.
- Slovenia came to South Europe as it’s south of the Alps’ main ridge and the Slovens have no ethnic continuation to the north (but somewhat to the south with the closely related Kaikavians).
- How to assess Hungary was likely the most difficult decision. I neatly came to the conclusion that it’s not Northern Europe. Culture and climate and the fact that the Hungarian ethnicity has no ties to the northern neighbours contributed the most to that assessment. I followed the Slovak-Hungarian ethnic border in Slovakia.
- The notable ”wog” input in Romanians/Moldovans, their Romance language and their position at the Black Sea excluded them from being Northern Europe.
- Now, calling Crimea Northern Europe would be pretty paradox after it’s even the southern end of Europe in that area and inspite of the continouus ethnicity conditions in Ukraine and Russia, there had to be found a reasonable partition for keeping apart the Black and Caspian Sea shores as well as the Caucasian areas from what can be considered Northern Europe. The exact border inevitable gets somewhat arbitrary, indicated by the the very strait lines in that area.
- Regarding the Kasakhstan part of Europe I followed the Kasakh border (so that became Southern Europe).

[cass]

West, East, North



South

wrzuta obrazki

[rothaer]

I feel north south division is bigger one but that's just my view.

You cheat somewhat in order to support your questionable assessment of Chechnia being Northern Europe by coloring Georgia and Asian Turkey and thus hiding that you let Europe end towards the south with "Northern Europe".

In a German geographic difinition according to which the border of Europe is in the Kuma-Manych depression https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kuma%E...ych_Depression Cechnia would not even be Europe at all. Particularly if I think of Ramsan Kadyrov I like that definition.

[Grace O'Malley]

West, East, North



South

wrzuta obrazki

Nice to see Ireland tied to Continental Europe and not the UK.

[Jana]

You cheat somewhat in order to support your questionable assessment of Chechnia being Northern Europe by coloring Georgia and Asian Turkey and thus hiding that you let Europe end towards the south with "Northern Europe".

In a German geographic difinition according to which the border of Europe is in the Kuma-Manych depression https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kuma%E...ych_Depression Cechnia would not even be Europe at all. Particularly if I think of Ramsan Kadyrov I like that definition.

I was too lazy to draw precise borders so just went with countries If north Caucasus would be seprate from Russia, it would def. be southern!

Turkey is very Balkan like, trust me. And Balkan is southern. Some butthurt Balkanites don't like that because they hate Turkey. Turkey is way more Balkan like than like middle east.
Georgia feels kinda homely too for Balkanites, it's mountanious with some coast, warm culture, and people look white in south euro/balkan sense overall compared to let's say MENAs.

[Jana]

rothaer@ our maps are very similar with exception of Hungary. you say they have no ethnic connection with their northern neighbours. Correct, because their closest ethnic relatives live in deep North Europe and Siberia!!!

[cass]

Nice to see Ireland tied to Continental Europe and not the UK.

It belongs to the realm of the Latin and Catholic Church