The Vendetta Against Atlantid

[lei.talk]

Because I was using this page,

https://www.theapricity.com/snpa/rg-paleo.htm

as it's (one of) the source(s) of the physicalanthropologywiki.fandom.com page for Atlantid..

the parenthetic remark attached to that reference is:

(This source uses Paleo Atlantid to mean Atlantid. This wiki follows the definition used by the humanphenotypes site, which uses it to mean Brunn and Tydal).

the first sentence is incorrect. as seen below:

• ATLANTID (Nordo-Mediterranid)
  1) With reference to partially depigmented northern Mediterranids, as in von Eickstedt's 1935 publication "Die Mediterranen in Wales";
  2) A generic designation, of more recent popular reference, for the entire range of Nordid-Atlanto-Mediterranid/Mediterranid blends, typically of dark pigmentation, which may be found throughout western Europe, particularly along the coast. Cf. North-Atlantid.

• PALEO-ATLANTID
  Umbrella-term, coined by Lundman, denoting any strongly pigmented (European) Cro-Magnid/Cro-Magnoid. One example of Paleo-Atlantid is the Scandinavian Tydal type. A similar type is said to inhabit parts of Scotland. Paleo-Atlantids do not comprise an important element in any northern European population.

the page you clearly state you were using
because it was used as a reference on a wiki

is not only disavowed as a source
on that wiki — it is incorrectly characterised.

and you chose to use it.
instead of a statement by an anthropologist.

[Eurafricanid]

the parenthetic remark attached to that reference is:


the first sentence is incorrect. as seen below:

• ATLANTID (Nordo-Mediterranid)
  1) With reference to partially depigmented northern Mediterranids, as in von Eickstedt's 1935 publication "Die Mediterranen in Wales";
  2) A generic designation, of more recent popular reference, for the entire range of Nordid-Atlanto-Mediterranid/Mediterranid blends, typically of dark pigmentation, which may be found throughout western Europe, particularly along the coast. Cf. North-Atlantid.

• PALEO-ATLANTID
  Umbrella-term, coined by Lundman, denoting any strongly pigmented (European) Cro-Magnid/Cro-Magnoid. One example of Paleo-Atlantid is the Scandinavian Tydal type. A similar type is said to inhabit parts of Scotland. Paleo-Atlantids do not comprise an important element in any northern European population.

the page you clearly state you were using
because it was used as a reference on a wiki

is not only disavowed as a source
on that wiki — it is incorrectly characterised.

and you chose to use it.
instead of a statement by an anthropologist.

What?? This is what the source says about Paleo-Atlantid:

• Origin:
  
  Re-emergence of Mesolithic-Neolithic Atlanto-Mediterranean racial type through a Nordish chrysalis; the Mediterranean strain, initially associated with the western European culture of the Megaliths, is one of the locally oldest racial strains in Britain; the Mediterranean element is more clearly emphasized than the Nordish (typically Keltic Nordic, but also Brünn); a second, smaller Mediterranean strain (Coon's Téviec type) may have played a part in the formation of the Atlantid types (the predominance of this differentiated element yields a type known to the Roman historians as "Silurian").
  
  
  
• Description:
  
  The Paleo-Atlantid takes an intermediate morphological and anthropometric position between the Mediterranean and Nordish types involved in its formation, but the former elements predominate, and the impression is more usually of a "nordicized Mediterranean" than an "exotic Nordish" one.
  
  Pigmentation is darker than with the North-Atlantid group, and dark brown and black hair is unsurpassed in the majority. The eye pigment is often heavier than what is typically Nordish, and brown and dark-mixed eyes are the rule. The skin is not seldom darker than the northern European mean, and tending more towards a southern European Mediterranean color.

Did you ignore reading the link, to prove your point? Does that seem like a cro-magnum type description to you? And yes, I did use the ATLANTID source as well I just used that other source to complement it one.

[Septentrion]

Some don't want the Atlantid to be a phenotype, for some reason, and I don't understand that! What is the problem with it? Is it the Name, because as a mix between Atlanto-Med and Keltic-Nordid, I don't see a better name for it, and why it can't have a name, if Subnordid is also a mixture and has a name that's different from it's mixture, why don't we call it Nordalpinid, then? Also Atlantid is a pretty good name in the sense that it's 1/2 of the North Atlantid phenotype, it being, a mixture of Keltic-Nordid and Atlantid, it doesn't have to have something do with the Atlantic facade, since if that's a problem Atlanto-Med and North Atlantid should be renamed too, since they also reference such ocean.

Please don't heed to some people's senses of stupidity. The Atlantid is a true phenotype depicting the true intermediate between the Atlanto-Mediterranean and the Nordid (in particular Keltic Nordid) racial phenotypes. Most common in Western Europe.

[Colonel Frank Grimes]

Please don't heed to some people's senses of stupidity. The Atlantid is a true phenotype depicting the true intermediate between the Atlanto-Mediterranean and the Nordid (in particular Keltic Nordid) racial phenotypes. Most common in Western Europe.

Source for it being a 'true phenotype'? 'Some guy on the internet.'

Right...

[lei.talk]

...where did egon von eickstedt use the taxonomical label of "ibero-insular"

...where did renato biasutti use the taxonomical label of "small mediterranean"

...various athropologists gave a lot of different names to a lot of phenotypes...

can you provide any examples
or is this an other case of you not making any claims

How is that a case of me not making claims?
But yeah, of course I can, ex:

Ibero-Insular by Eickstedt
is supposed to be the same phenotype
as Small Mediterranean by Biasutti
and, yet they have different names,

that's what I was saying,
if you didn't understand.

this is your personal knowledge

not merely an echo of
the baseless opinions of one's e-peers

(who are - in turn - merely echoing the baseless opinions
of their e-peers - who quote a face-less poseur
that never read the text or any scientific papers)

[Eurafricanid]

...where did egon von eickstedt use the taxonomical label of "ibero-insular"

...where did renato biasutti use the taxonomical label of "small mediterranean"

this is your personal knowledge

not merely an echo of
the baseless opinions of one's e-peers

(who are - in turn - merely echoing the baseless opinions
of their e-peers - who quote a face-less poseur
that never read the text or any scientific papers)

I'm sorry, it was my bad, I mixed the names up, Deniker called it Ibero Insular, and Coon called it Small Mediterranean, but that doesn't refute my point in any way, since what I said was that different "...various athropologists gave a lot of different names to a lot of phenotypes...", as you quoted, and you know that, so why are you doing this show?

[lei.talk]

...I mixed the names up,

Deniker called it Ibero Insular,
and Coon called it Small Mediterranean...

was this the result of a faulty recollection
of your personal knowledge

personal knowledge acquired by reading
the anthropology text-books written by deniker and coon

how else could you be so certain
of the synonymity of the two labels

[lei.talk]

...this is not a source:

This is what the source says about Paleo-Atlantid: "The name Atlantid..."

Did you ignore reading the link,
to prove your point?

Does that seem like a cro-magnid type description to you?

And yes,
I did use the ATLANTID source as well
I just used that other source to complement it.

in 1999, three young men at the university of oslo
began consolidating information from the nordish physical anthropology study group on yahoo

on the "Interessegruppe for Nordisk Fysisk Antropologi" web-site.

several others contributed their efforts
to organise the information. unfortunately, in june 2001,
the site froze and became a read-only site.

the works-in-progress
contained unresolved inconsistencies, confusions, and unfilled spaces
(as seen on the page being examined).

as there is no url-link to that work-page
any where on The Society for Nordish Physical Anthropology (SNPA)
there should be no cause for confusion
of new-comers to on-line physical anthropology.

we are making efforts
to offer all of the authors on wikipedia
and their texts on the internet archive. those are sources.

[Septentrion]

Source for it being a 'true phenotype'? 'Some guy on the internet.'

Right...

Oh just relax. It wasn't started on the internet. Inform yourself, stop feeding on stupidity but learn rather. If your anthropology teacher told you that it started on the internet. You need to change your school now!!

[Colonel Frank Grimes]

Oh just relax. It wasn't started on the internet.

Agrippa invented the term Atlantid. Agrippa is an internet personality on these anthro forums.

You were given many opportunities to post a physical anthropologist using the term Atlantid and you've always been silent when asked.

Inform yourself, stop feeding on stupidity but learn rather. If your anthropology teacher told you that it started on the internet. You need to change your school now!!

This coming from a guy who disregards the definition of Caucasoid for his own made-up definition of the word. The moment you contradict the dictionary with your own definition of a word you prove yourself not to be a serious person.

Teach me what the definition of Caucaosoid is, Septentrion.... Educate me... lolz...

Here is another opportunity for you to fail at naming a physical anthropologist using the term Atlantid.