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    Quote Originally Posted by Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas View Post
    Portuguese pirates are not generally known in Portugal but they did exist, one of them is even credited for creating the first Pirate's Code (Bartolomeu Português). Piracy has been around since the first men were able to sail, right up to the present day.
    Yes, I know that piracy existed from earlier times, ancient Greece for example, the Vikings were considered some pirates too,

    But the term modern pirate stems from the famous lawless corsairs of the 17th and 18th century,
    Tis this the Bartolomeu you mean?

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    Because England is a nation of thieves and cowards. That is why they institutionalized the piracy and promoted it. It was their way to fight, steal and take advantage in the shadow while the nations remained in peace.

    In any case piracy was something very mythologized, most of the pirates were caputured and/or killed and the damage that they produced was residual.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ruggery View Post
    Never heard of any famous Spanish pirate.
    https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amaro_Pargo
    https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cabeza_de_Perro

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    Two of the biggest Dutch actions: Grand Theft Treasure Fleet and Grand Theft Warship.



    And:



    Wake up and smell the coffee.

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    England did produce some famous pirates but also Scotland, Wales and Ireland had some famous pirates.

    Anne Bonny, an Irishwoman is the most famous female pirate, Captain William Kidd was a Scot and Black Bart was Welsh.

    The most famous pirate is most probably Blackbeard, I think everyone has heard of him.

    Another famous pirate is Grace O'Malley who is another Irishwoman.

    Here is a list.

    http://www.thewayofthepirates.com/famous-pirates/

    Black Sails is a good program about pirates.

    This song has a great pirate feel to it.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ruggery View Post
    During the sixteenth and seventeenth centuries, the golden age of piracy, the vast majority of famous pirates are British, especially English, hence the stereotype that England is a nation of pirates and thieves.
    Where are your statistical maths propositions, genius ?. I am guessing the maths would show only a tiny sliver of the overall English population where pirates even if they made up the bulk of the pirates. Stereotyped as a nation of thieves and pirates ? Are you on drugs ? The Italians are the most stereotyped as thieves mister Italian Stallion Rocky Balboa. That is like saying most British people are criminals because a subset of the population were criminals that were sent to Australia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cristiano viejo View Post
    Because England is a nation of thieves and cowards. That is why they institutionalized the piracy and promoted it. It was their way to fight, steal and take advantage in the shadow while the nations remained in peace.

    In any case piracy was something very mythologized, most of the pirates were caputured and/or killed and the damage that they produced was residual.


    https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amaro_Pargo
    https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cabeza_de_Perro
    Amaro de Pargo sounded familiar to me, the other one I didn't know.

    Look that France, the Netherlands, Denmark or Turkey (Ottoman Empire) also had many pirates, but I think that the country that exported the most pirates or at least the most famous pirates is England.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grace O'Malley View Post
    England did produce some famous pirates but also Scotland, Wales and Ireland had some famous pirates.

    Anne Bonny, an Irishwoman is the most famous female pirate, Captain William Kidd was a Scot and Black Bart was Welsh.

    The most famous pirate is most probably Blackbeard, I think everyone has heard of him.

    Another famous pirate is Grace O'Malley who is another Irishwoman.

    Here is a list.

    http://www.thewayofthepirates.com/famous-pirates/

    Black Sails is a good program about pirates.

    This song has a great pirate feel to it.


    I know that Ireland and Scotland also produced pirates, although these 2 areas were poorer than England, so it would not be unusual for there to have been reasons to be a pirate.
    Yes, I know about the Black Sails series, although I think that, like Vikings, it has some historical inconsistencies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SuperLimey View Post
    Where are your statistical maths propositions, genius ?.
    There are no official statistics of countries with more pirates, but if there were, England would undoubtedly be in the top 3, for something in the history of pirates most of the time they take the United Kingdom as a reference

    Quote Originally Posted by SuperLimey View Post
    I am guessing the maths would show only a tiny sliver of the overall English population where pirates even if they made up the bulk of the pirates. Stereotyped as a nation of thieves and pirates ? Are you on drugs ? The Italians are the most stereotyped as thieves mister Italian Stallion Rocky Balboa. That is like saying most British people are criminals because a subset of the population were criminals that were sent to Australia.
    In the Spanish empire England was associated as a nation of pirates and thieves because of the large number of these guys that England sent, Most of the pirate attacks received in Spanish America were by the English and French.

    Never listen to Italians stereotyped as thieves, like gangsters yes (those from the south) but thieves no.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grace O'Malley View Post
    England did produce some famous pirates but also Scotland, Wales and Ireland had some famous pirates.

    Anne Bonny, an Irishwoman is the most famous female pirate, Captain William Kidd was a Scot and Black Bart was Welsh.

    The most famous pirate is most probably Blackbeard, I think everyone has heard of him.

    Another famous pirate is Grace O'Malley who is another Irishwoman.

    Here is a list.

    http://www.thewayofthepirates.com/famous-pirates/

    Black Sails is a good program about pirates.

    This song has a great pirate feel to it.

    Henry Morgan must be the third most famous Welshman after Arthur and Cadwallon Ap Cadfan, methinks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ruggery View Post
    I imagine Spain interrogating England, and asks why all these thieves are from your country?
    And England answers because it comes out of my ass.

    By the way, in the history of Portugal were there Portuguese pirates?
    Almost certainly yes, it was a nation of sailors and seamen afterall but honestly we don't learn anything about it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas View Post
    Portuguese pirates are not generally known in Portugal but they did exist, one of them is even credited for creating the first Pirate's Code (Bartolomeu Português). Piracy has been around since the first men were able to sail, right up to the present day.
    Interesting, I was completely ignorant of that pirate.

    Anyway, much is talked and has become sort of a Hollywood genre, about the piracy in The Caribbean which was nothing compared to the volume of piracy in the Mediterranean and in the far East.

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