Why is German culture one revolving around guilt and shame?

[Your Old Comrade]

Angela Merkel was elected on elections. And what she did? She called non-European immigrants to come in large scale, first to Germany (okay, it is her bussiness) and then she said there should be EU solidarity and other countries should accept immigrants, too.
Not to mention all migrant crisis in Balkans that was caused by her welcoming Muslim immigrants.

Germany is largest country in Europe and has largest impact and responsability. Every step has impact of us smaller countries.

And I dont hate it, I am affraid of Germany.

I get that. That's our psychotic big brother for you.

[Östsvensk]

Only in apruz, I'm still a member of Komifans and get coupons from Wagner group.

#FreeKomintasavalta

[Annihilus]

Richmondbread, the Bavarian Body Builder, and Mortimer fighting over Blondie.

Richmondbread won.

[Tannhauser]

Actually, as I also said in the OP's other related thread, the only country I have come across that comes close to Germany in terms of obsessing over a dictatorship is Chile. There are always mass demonstrations to commemorate Pinochet's coup on 11th September, and you can even still see the bullet holes left on the Casa de La Moneda from when the Chilean Air Force bombed it.

Are you kidding right? With all your daily babling about Argentina you said such a thing, gosh!

[Rumata]

Of course, Russian empire was brutal in its greed while cleaning North western Caucasus from Circassians. Yet it irks when a Durkish autist tries to play the national grief as a card against another country in his stupid internet propaganda. All missing the information that if Ottomans didn't pour oil in the flames of Caucasian war promising help to the locals and then when the matter of deportation arose, promising them good conditions in the new homeland. Promises largely proved false.

So hard the way to Anatolia and back was for a Circassian, some of them still returned from Anatolia back home so different were the Ottoman conditions there from the ones they were promised.

[Rumata]

Capital isn't the only measure of ambition. Ambitious people can have very different priorities in life.

[Annihilus]

Well, here you are mistaken. Greece could sue Turkey and lead it to the international court of the Hague if it wants to. There's no "cannot", but "want". There's an entire convention about genocide, the Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide of 1948, based on which, if Turkey was to be lead to the International Court of Justice, it'd be immediately bring a sentence against Turkey, because the two genocides the Ottoman Empire, its undisputed predecessor has committed, fulfill all the criteria inscribed on the Convention's articles, which are legally binding, as it has been proven in all the international trials concerning Yugoslavia.

We do not care about land, but about bringing justice to the victims. Although, even if it comes to land, it'd more appropriate to talk about properties. Because properties were the main thing that was confiscated from the families, of course after they were killed, and even in the population exchange, Greeks didn't confiscate Turkish properties en masse, but followed the rules that regulated the issue for reparations from the displacement of each peoples. But the Turks outright have violated this, both immediately after the population exchange, and in 1964, 9 years after the pogroms against Greeks in Constantinople, when the Turkish government outright said the 1930 Ankara Convention, which was precisely for the issue of lost and confiscated property, was deemed as "invalid" and then deprived any Greek, who were millions, from ever even visiting their lost properties and putting any claim on it. Greece hasn't done that, in retrospect.

Would you care to elaborate on that? I have a hard time believing it.

[rothaer]

You forget that Germany is not an independent state, but still under american military occupation. Berlin does what USA allows or wants, nothing else. There is no independent german foreign policy either. Ursula von der Lying is puppet of Washington, its not even secret. (...)

This. Their constitution isn't even called a constitution, but a "Grundgesetz", ie, a "basic law" under the pretext that Germany isn't yet unified, and that it's only "provisional"... Even though Germany is reunited for 33 years now. That on its own says a lot on how sovereign Germany actually is... They can't even revise their own constitution without the consent of their daddy.

It's close to a false flag state if there is something like that.

[rothaer]

[rothaer: Btw. I wouldn't call it a capitalist mindset (quote Feiichy). To my perception it's rather a lack of ideals and even interest for ideals.]

Dutch are more pragmatic. Ideals are cool and all, but "how about something that works" ? Brits have a similar mindset. Conservative not out of idealism, but more of a "never change a winning horse"-mentality. That's why, in that respect, we get along so well. (the wars between us, were not out of a difference in beliefs- but because we were constantly fishing in each other's waters, so to speak).

Dutch are a lot more risk-adverse (almost like the Germans) than the Brits though - and more egalitarian as well (almost Scandinavian level).

Yes and I'd like to refine my emphasis a little bit: I'd say that even more than in the ideals topic there might be a difference in the topic of dogmatism. It's related but may be even more the crucial thing. What's your opinion on that?

[Zeno]

Would you care to elaborate on that? I have a hard time believing it.

Based on the Treaty of Lausanne, both countries had to establish authoritative bodies for the regulation of reparations towards the people who were expulsed from their native territory.

Within the same comment of mine, the 1930 Ankara Treaty is mentioned, which was signed in 30/4/1930, and which was for exactly that purpose: handling the issue of reparations for the displaced peoples. In 1964, the Turkish government declared that the Treaty of 1930 is invalid, and therefore the displaced Asia Minor Greeks shall have no further claims from reparations or even visiting their lost property. That's why you see ghost towns like Kayakoy in western Anatolia, but not in Greece.