The only non-Slavic admixture in Russians is Moksha

[ugochaves]

You can admit that Russians have Moksha ancestry, because I proved it. Baltic Finns have no Moksha ancestry, Russians have it. Moksha <> Baltic Finnic.

I wrote in English, didn't I? Moksha and the Eastern Slavs have a common substrate, this unites them. Have you ever seen moksha on the Dnieper? But for the Dnieper Ukrainians, this is the main component. Moksha mixed with Russians only in Mordovia. In the rest of the territories from the Volga to the Dnieper, there is a common Baltic component. I recognize this and will not give up my Moksha cousins. Do you admit that I have a Baltic Finn in me?

[ugochaves]

Moksha <> Baltic Finnic.

Make a moksha calculator from Slavs, eastern neighbors and Baltic Finns. You will understand that moksha has a Baltic-Finnish component, quite large.

[Lemminkäinen]

I wrote in English, didn't I? Moksha and the Eastern Slavs have a common substrate, this unites them. Have you ever seen moksha on the Dnieper?

Have you seen East Slavs before 500 AD?

But for the Dnieper Ukrainians, this is the main component. Moksha mixed with Russians only in Mordovia. In the rest of the territories from the Volga to the Dnieper, there is a common Baltic component. I recognize this and will not give up my Moksha cousins. Do you admit that I have a Baltic Finn in me?

You can have whatever you want Yes Baltic speakers lives in the neighborhood of Finno-Ugros already thousands years before Russians. Do you admit it? Mokshas were not "Mokshas" before linguistic differentation of Volga-Finnic groups, but they had their blood lines.

[Lemminkäinen]

Make a moksha calculator from Slavs, eastern neighbors and Baltic Finns. You will understand that moksha has a Baltic-Finnish component, quite large.

I'll make tomorrow, but my guess is that they can have an Estonian compinent, because Estonians mixed with Balts, but not Finnish one. Mokshas and Estonians have a common Baltic admixture.

[ugochaves]

Have you seen East Slavs before 500 AD?



You can have whatever you want Yes Baltic speakers lives in the neighborhood of Finno-Ugros already thousands years before Russians. Do you admit it? Mokshas were not "Mokshas" before linguistic differentation of Volga-Finnic groups, but they had their blood lines.

Moksha - Ukrainians have dishonored this word. They mock him. But this word is not even Finno-Ugric, it is Indo-European from the name of the river where either Balts or Arias lived. Before the invasion of your ancestors, Moksha spoke an Indo-European language.

[Russki]

Moksha <> Baltic Finnic.

Next time I suggest you to run a PCA with the same components you use in the original post.

We can defeat stupidity together.

[ugochaves]

Next time I suggest you to run a PCA with the same components you use in the original post.

We can defeat stupidity together.

It seems to me that Tver is not really Tver here. Tver is a large region. I have northern Yaroslavl Russians and possibly the Vyatka region (I’m not sure, maybe it’s Vyazma), my maternal grandfather was shell-shocked in every sense and did not say anything about his origin except that he was a purebred Russian ... that’s why I looking north. But I met very central people from southern and western Tver, far south of me. Apparently, this is a collection from the south, from the western and northeastern outskirts of the Tver region.

[KirillMazur]

Being 1/8 Moksha (from the Krasnoslobodsk region), can confirm they differ from Central Russians only at group level. There is something easily recognizable in their faces. Lots of slim Northern Pontids among them.
Erzya is more Baltid-Nordid (and stocky), but still have a bit unique eye area.
Btw, my paternal side (pure Russian-Belorussian) is noticeably darker than Moksha admixed mom's one.

[ugochaves]

Being 1/8 Moksha (from the Krasnoslobodsk region), can confirm they differ from Central Russians only at group level. There is something easily recognizable in their faces. Lots of slim Northern Pontids among them.
Erzya is more Baltid-Nordid (and stocky), but still have a bit unique eye area.
Btw, my paternal side (pure Russian-Belorussian) is noticeably darker than Moksha admixed mom's one.

Genetically, Erzya is further from the Eastern Slavs than moksha. But the Erzya are practically indistinguishable from the Russians by phenotype (with the exception of some Mongoloid phenotypes). Moksha is more individual, although closer to the Slavs in DNA. Our Finnish brother is trolling, let's see what he is capable of. He's already screwed up and started "not noticing" my messages.

[Lemminkäinen]

Next time I suggest you to run a PCA with the same components you use in the original post.

We can defeat stupidity together.

What is common with Estonians, Erzyas and Mokshas is the Baltic component. It is likely from the time when Finnic and Baltic people lived as neighbors in the present day Moscow area. Of course Estonians have additional Baltic admixture from Latvia.

I'll be back in the question of "what differs between Estonians/Mokshas and Finns". It is not merely Siberian admixture.