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    Default The only non-Slavic admixture in Russians is Moksha

    They have barely any other Finno-Ugric admixture. They have likely not any Germanic admixture, although I didn't test it.

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    Lithuanian_PA,0.1337421,0.1241485,0.0796195,0.074613,0.0421616,0.0291092,0.0087244,0.0134128,-0.0037324,-0.0263102,-0.0035118,-0.0091044,0.0186756,0.0266472,-0.0118755,0.0034972,0.0042865,0.0010292,0.0039282,0.0012351,-0.0060519,-0.0032921,0.0093979,-0.006552,-0.0002845
    Lithuanian_PZ,0.1356773,0.1255195,0.0883971,0.0871131,0.044562,0.035447,0.0106459,0.0156685,-0.0030065,-0.0347524,-0.0067879,-0.0129784,0.0230573,0.0315155,-0.0071118,-0.0032219,-0.0034813,-0.0016344,0.000817,0.0034265,-0.0023459,-0.0059477,0.0084426,-0.0090132,0.0005148
    Lithuanian_RA,0.135108,0.1240977,0.083306,0.0805239,0.0431158,0.0294229,0.0123146,0.015207,-0.0044994,-0.0323469,-0.0030203,-0.012469,0.0240532,0.0300018,-0.0152957,0.0017237,0.0070014,-0.0013936,0.00494,0.0030138,-0.0053282,-0.0060342,0.010057,-0.0066392,-0.0003714
    Lithuanian_SZ,0.1347664,0.1258242,0.0861344,0.0877268,0.0448392,0.0315424,0.0128081,0.0185529,-0.0019633,-0.0353537,-0.0039137,-0.0127386,0.0235031,0.0296026,-0.0123914,0.0018563,0.005111,-0.0012796,0.0020866,0.0021511,-0.0029574,-0.0067636,0.0070251,-0.0104229,0.0029337
    Lithuanian_VA,0.1344249,0.1257226,0.0824762,0.0750975,0.0433311,0.027889,0.0099878,0.014884,-0.0020454,-0.0298685,-0.0029553,-0.0138328,0.0200394,0.0280062,-0.0110613,0.0029435,0.0061411,-0.0005702,0.0023129,0.0061155,-0.003731,-0.00481,0.0072346,-0.0078805,-0.0008622
    Lithuanian_VZ,0.1372991,0.1261795,0.0850879,0.082365,0.0444314,0.0326652,0.0104872,0.0176242,-0.0036048,-0.0315269,-0.0036131,-0.0097039,0.0199762,0.0301394,-0.0104505,-0.0045578,-0.0006029,0.0012828,0.0032525,0.0013445,-0.0043829,-0.0056728,0.00835,-0.005874,-0.001317
    Nganassan,0.0476917,-0.4066181,0.1557885,0.0023902,-0.1594452,-0.0882129,0.0285066,0.0433367,0.0310876,0.0128477,0.1028569,0.0094115,-0.0040734,-0.0261619,-0.0219731,-0.0123307,-0.0010952,0.0134165,0.0268365,-0.0008505,0.0431363,-0.0118954,0.0336096,0.0003977,0.0135556
    Komi,0.1187174,0.0307705,0.0850408,0.0682822,-0.0046161,0.0141677,0.0094945,0.0130841,-0.0030884,-0.0298138,0.0099383,-0.0086022,0.0182258,-0.0062204,-0.0087676,-0.0047601,-0.0014733,-0.0014444,-0.0039595,-0.0039646,0.0014723,-0.0011993,-0.0001234,0.0012051,0.0004191
    Mari,0.1013024,-0.0507766,0.0928472,0.0614992,-0.029667,0.0006692,0.0115628,0.0184148,-0.0037224,-0.0393264,0.028288,-0.0152266,0.0344596,-0.03947,-0.0348802,-0.02376,-0.0049806,-0.008032,-0.038765,-0.0317402,0.0163212,0.0052924,-0.0506792,0.010869,-0.0021794
    Moksha,0.1267989,0.0885541,0.0724449,0.0615638,0.0239121,0.0203869,0.0098939,0.0131301,-0.0035382,-0.0277911,0.0010556,-0.0067139,0.0173785,0.0143128,-0.0123369,-0.0022142,0.0031293,-0.0011908,-0.0004779,-0.0025388,-0.0022959,-0.0033139,0.0038454,-0.0006147,0.0015686
    Udmurt,0.10784,-0.0207012,0.0797175,0.0663144,-0.0305697,0.0088744,0.0086169,0.0107155,-0.0110547,-0.0356155,0.0211855,-0.0059946,0.0150719,-0.0308803,-0.0103913,-0.0054531,-0.0041823,-0.0010005,-0.009682,-0.0095879,0.0007358,0.0031516,-0.0043516,0.0081752,-0.0028033
    Karelian,0.1273094,0.0768108,0.093286,0.0808381,0.0275575,0.0224719,0.0102478,0.0152161,0.0017601,-0.0294117,0.0052308,-0.0110312,0.0189294,0.0089496,-0.00445,0.0013259,-0.0023746,-0.0014089,-0.0018435,0.0037822,0.0064659,-0.0009743,0.001154,0.0006975,0.0038138
    Ingrian,0.1297583,0.0900437,0.0898803,0.0756897,0.033032,0.0258437,0.009949,0.0129993,-0.0006137,-0.0265457,0.0031937,-0.0098913,0.0146183,0.0056883,-0.0029407,0.002696,-0.001608,-0.0005913,-0.0043573,0.004961,0.0040343,0.000165,0.007477,0.002008,0.0030337
    Finnish_Central,0.1307702,0.0866587,0.0894194,0.0783096,0.029544,0.0241396,0.0104188,0.0150252,0.0031589,-0.0240551,0.0036089,-0.0063944,0.0127683,0.0054591,0.0020206,0.0005598,-0.0071857,-0.0004503,-5.59e-05,0.0026263,0.0080829,-0.0018683,0.0014791,0.0086489,0.0043376
    Finnish_East,0.1258559,0.0787761,0.0943877,0.0838416,0.0273896,0.0208769,0.0075537,0.0139443,0.0045871,-0.0305897,0.0073771,-0.0079001,0.0162253,0.0020837,-0.0040716,0.0089024,0.0110083,-0.001647,-0.0013649,0.0060207,0.0097506,0.0011304,0.0011973,0.0080043,0.0020699
    Finnish_North,0.1287623,0.0783226,0.0931489,0.0790139,0.027505,0.0245772,0.0089302,0.0152012,0.0047041,-0.0275405,0.0048109,-0.0070249,0.016241,0.0081198,0.0010349,-0.0079554,-0.017227,0.0012826,-0.0006286,0.002376,0.0092492,0.0004948,0.0006315,0.005859,0.005688
    Finnish_Southeast,0.1320347,0.0907204,0.0884559,0.077197,0.0332711,0.0210717,0.009139,0.0140503,0.0028179,-0.0218277,0.0031036,-0.0058616,0.011513,0.0029819,0.0017644,0.0127138,0.012821,-0.0009854,-0.0015084,0.0082539,0.0081106,-0.0007694,0.0020541,0.0087963,-0.0009712
    Finnish_Southwest,0.1313235,0.0968561,0.0863135,0.0721098,0.0337369,0.0229738,0.0085484,0.0140472,0.0044739,-0.0208888,0.0038974,-0.0058071,0.0114654,0.0085844,0.0052931,-0.0085686,-0.0201118,0.0014411,0.0015869,-0.0002189,0.006863,0.0005256,0.0027731,0.0051211,0.0039069
    Erzya,0.127387,0.0819194,0.0728158,0.0672378,0.0236452,0.0202195,0.0105755,0.0129611,-0.0045335,-0.0284745,0.0007984,-0.0105654,0.0176907,0.0121336,-0.0121582,2.21e-05,0.0043244,-0.0002008,0.0014664,0.0012297,-0.0025892,-0.0021846,0.0035125,-0.0064667,0.0015468
    Estonian,0.1329454,0.1141455,0.087756,0.0833017,0.0427771,0.0297575,0.0113745,0.0144457,0.0004091,-0.028447,6.5e-05,-0.0123489,0.0194597,0.0213591,-0.0066639,0.0017104,0.0002216,-0.0024832,0.0013451,0.0022137,0.001385,-0.0018672,0.0042644,0.0007471,0.0030535
    Belarusian,0.1322625,0.1236239,0.0750219,0.0695957,0.0402331,0.0265691,0.0107321,0.0133226,-0.0002727,-0.0246017,-0.0026957,-0.0092119,0.0193259,0.0272309,-0.0112647,-0.0038009,-0.0009647,0.0003717,0.0041397,-0.0010504,-0.0042342,-0.0046081,0.0077235,-0.0068601,0.0006946





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    Lemminkäinen, brother. Lost brother)

    Target: ugo_scaled
    Distance: 1.7961% / 0.01796085
    27.2 Moksha
    26.2 Lithuanian_VA
    21.4 Lithuanian_PA
    10.4 Finnish_Southeast
    8.8 Belarusian
    6.0 Erzya


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    Distance: 1.3272% / 0.01327170
    69.2 Belarusian
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lemminkäinen View Post
    They have barely any other Finno-Ugric admixture. They have likely not any Germanic admixture, although I didn't test it.
    Moksha, by the way, is indistinguishable from the Eastern Slavs, we see this on the example of the Ukrainians of the Dnieper - the real Ukrainians. And I have Baltic-Finnish roots, so you can't get rid of it now, brother) We are of the same blood, you and me!

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    Finnish grandfather, now he will be beaten by me. To make the calculator correct, you need to enter not Lithuania as a Baltic proxy, but Latvia. And add central Europeans, for example Slovakia.

    Lithuanian_PA,0.1337421,0.1241485,0.0796195,0.0746 13,0.0421616,0.0291092,0.0087244,0.0134128,-0.0037324,-0.0263102,-0.0035118,-0.0091044,0.0186756,0.0266472,-0.0118755,0.0034972,0.0042865,0.0010292,0.0039282, 0.0012351,-0.0060519,-0.0032921,0.0093979,-0.006552,-0.0002845
    Lithuanian_PZ,0.1356773,0.1255195,0.0883971,0.0871 131,0.044562,0.035447,0.0106459,0.0156685,-0.0030065,-0.0347524,-0.0067879,-0.0129784,0.0230573,0.0315155,-0.0071118,-0.0032219,-0.0034813,-0.0016344,0.000817,0.0034265,-0.0023459,-0.0059477,0.0084426,-0.0090132,0.0005148
    Lithuanian_RA,0.135108,0.1240977,0.083306,0.080523 9,0.0431158,0.0294229,0.0123146,0.015207,-0.0044994,-0.0323469,-0.0030203,-0.012469,0.0240532,0.0300018,-0.0152957,0.0017237,0.0070014,-0.0013936,0.00494,0.0030138,-0.0053282,-0.0060342,0.010057,-0.0066392,-0.0003714
    Lithuanian_SZ,0.1347664,0.1258242,0.0861344,0.0877 268,0.0448392,0.0315424,0.0128081,0.0185529,-0.0019633,-0.0353537,-0.0039137,-0.0127386,0.0235031,0.0296026,-0.0123914,0.0018563,0.005111,-0.0012796,0.0020866,0.0021511,-0.0029574,-0.0067636,0.0070251,-0.0104229,0.0029337
    Lithuanian_VA,0.1344249,0.1257226,0.0824762,0.0750 975,0.0433311,0.027889,0.0099878,0.014884,-0.0020454,-0.0298685,-0.0029553,-0.0138328,0.0200394,0.0280062,-0.0110613,0.0029435,0.0061411,-0.0005702,0.0023129,0.0061155,-0.003731,-0.00481,0.0072346,-0.0078805,-0.0008622
    Lithuanian_VZ,0.1372991,0.1261795,0.0850879,0.0823 65,0.0444314,0.0326652,0.0104872,0.0176242,-0.0036048,-0.0315269,-0.0036131,-0.0097039,0.0199762,0.0301394,-0.0104505,-0.0045578,-0.0006029,0.0012828,0.0032525,0.0013445,-0.0043829,-0.0056728,0.00835,-0.005874,-0.001317
    Nganassan,0.0476917,-0.4066181,0.1557885,0.0023902,-0.1594452,-0.0882129,0.0285066,0.0433367,0.0310876,0.0128477, 0.1028569,0.0094115,-0.0040734,-0.0261619,-0.0219731,-0.0123307,-0.0010952,0.0134165,0.0268365,-0.0008505,0.0431363,-0.0118954,0.0336096,0.0003977,0.0135556
    Komi,0.1187174,0.0307705,0.0850408,0.0682822,-0.0046161,0.0141677,0.0094945,0.0130841,-0.0030884,-0.0298138,0.0099383,-0.0086022,0.0182258,-0.0062204,-0.0087676,-0.0047601,-0.0014733,-0.0014444,-0.0039595,-0.0039646,0.0014723,-0.0011993,-0.0001234,0.0012051,0.0004191
    Mari,0.1013024,-0.0507766,0.0928472,0.0614992,-0.029667,0.0006692,0.0115628,0.0184148,-0.0037224,-0.0393264,0.028288,-0.0152266,0.0344596,-0.03947,-0.0348802,-0.02376,-0.0049806,-0.008032,-0.038765,-0.0317402,0.0163212,0.0052924,-0.0506792,0.010869,-0.0021794
    Moksha,0.1267989,0.0885541,0.0724449,0.0615638,0.0 239121,0.0203869,0.0098939,0.0131301,-0.0035382,-0.0277911,0.0010556,-0.0067139,0.0173785,0.0143128,-0.0123369,-0.0022142,0.0031293,-0.0011908,-0.0004779,-0.0025388,-0.0022959,-0.0033139,0.0038454,-0.0006147,0.0015686
    Udmurt,0.10784,-0.0207012,0.0797175,0.0663144,-0.0305697,0.0088744,0.0086169,0.0107155,-0.0110547,-0.0356155,0.0211855,-0.0059946,0.0150719,-0.0308803,-0.0103913,-0.0054531,-0.0041823,-0.0010005,-0.009682,-0.0095879,0.0007358,0.0031516,-0.0043516,0.0081752,-0.0028033
    Karelian,0.1273094,0.0768108,0.093286,0.0808381,0. 0275575,0.0224719,0.0102478,0.0152161,0.0017601,-0.0294117,0.0052308,-0.0110312,0.0189294,0.0089496,-0.00445,0.0013259,-0.0023746,-0.0014089,-0.0018435,0.0037822,0.0064659,-0.0009743,0.001154,0.0006975,0.0038138
    Ingrian,0.1297583,0.0900437,0.0898803,0.0756897,0. 033032,0.0258437,0.009949,0.0129993,-0.0006137,-0.0265457,0.0031937,-0.0098913,0.0146183,0.0056883,-0.0029407,0.002696,-0.001608,-0.0005913,-0.0043573,0.004961,0.0040343,0.000165,0.007477,0.0 02008,0.0030337
    Finnish_Central,0.1307702,0.0866587,0.0894194,0.07 83096,0.029544,0.0241396,0.0104188,0.0150252,0.003 1589,-0.0240551,0.0036089,-0.0063944,0.0127683,0.0054591,0.0020206,0.0005598,-0.0071857,-0.0004503,-5.59e-05,0.0026263,0.0080829,-0.0018683,0.0014791,0.0086489,0.0043376
    Finnish_East,0.1258559,0.0787761,0.0943877,0.08384 16,0.0273896,0.0208769,0.0075537,0.0139443,0.00458 71,-0.0305897,0.0073771,-0.0079001,0.0162253,0.0020837,-0.0040716,0.0089024,0.0110083,-0.001647,-0.0013649,0.0060207,0.0097506,0.0011304,0.0011973, 0.0080043,0.0020699
    Finnish_North,0.1287623,0.0783226,0.0931489,0.0790 139,0.027505,0.0245772,0.0089302,0.0152012,0.00470 41,-0.0275405,0.0048109,-0.0070249,0.016241,0.0081198,0.0010349,-0.0079554,-0.017227,0.0012826,-0.0006286,0.002376,0.0092492,0.0004948,0.0006315,0 .005859,0.005688
    Finnish_Southeast,0.1320347,0.0907204,0.0884559,0. 077197,0.0332711,0.0210717,0.009139,0.0140503,0.00 28179,-0.0218277,0.0031036,-0.0058616,0.011513,0.0029819,0.0017644,0.0127138,0 .012821,-0.0009854,-0.0015084,0.0082539,0.0081106,-0.0007694,0.0020541,0.0087963,-0.0009712
    Finnish_Southwest,0.1313235,0.0968561,0.0863135,0. 0721098,0.0337369,0.0229738,0.0085484,0.0140472,0. 0044739,-0.0208888,0.0038974,-0.0058071,0.0114654,0.0085844,0.0052931,-0.0085686,-0.0201118,0.0014411,0.0015869,-0.0002189,0.006863,0.0005256,0.0027731,0.0051211,0 .0039069
    Erzya,0.127387,0.0819194,0.0728158,0.0672378,0.023 6452,0.0202195,0.0105755,0.0129611,-0.0045335,-0.0284745,0.0007984,-0.0105654,0.0176907,0.0121336,-0.0121582,2.21e-05,0.0043244,-0.0002008,0.0014664,0.0012297,-0.0025892,-0.0021846,0.0035125,-0.0064667,0.0015468
    Estonian,0.1329454,0.1141455,0.087756,0.0833017,0. 0427771,0.0297575,0.0113745,0.0144457,0.0004091,-0.028447,6.5e-05,-0.0123489,0.0194597,0.0213591,-0.0066639,0.0017104,0.0002216,-0.0024832,0.0013451,0.0022137,0.001385,-0.0018672,0.0042644,0.0007471,0.0030535
    Belarusian,0.1322625,0.1236239,0.0750219,0.0695957 ,0.0402331,0.0265691,0.0107321,0.0133226,-0.0002727,-0.0246017,-0.0026957,-0.0092119,0.0193259,0.0272309,-0.0112647,-0.0038009,-0.0009647,0.0003717,0.0041397,-0.0010504,-0.0042342,-0.0046081,0.0077235,-0.0068601,0.0006946
    Latvian,0.1354494,0.122473,0.0887742,0.089471,0.04 3208,0.0340246,0.0125966,0.0140762,-0.002168,-0.0368842,-0.0035728,-0.0138178,0.0232208,0.031378,-0.010559,0.0040572,0.0027118,-0.0003802,0.0016088,0.0043022,-0.0027952,-0.0057128,0.0090708,-0.0093264,0.0026346
    Slovakian,0.1304414,0.128769,0.0626776,0.0514862,0 .0412384,0.0200244,0.006768,0.0077998,-0.0018408,-0.0115538,-0.0019162,-0.0037466,0.009871,0.0104318,-0.0091476,0.0092814,0.012934,0.0002534,0.0054304,0 .0023512,-0.0037186,-0.0020774,0.0043382,0.001928,-0.0018922
    Target: ugo_scaled
    Distance: 1.6028% / 0.01602834
    47.0 Latvian
    42.8 Slovakian
    5.4 Erzya
    2.0 Mari
    1.8 Nganassan
    0.8 Moksha
    0.2 Belarusian

    Target: Ukrainian_Dnipro
    Distance: 0.7349% / 0.00734930
    47.0 Belarusian
    27.8 Slovakian
    25.2 Moksha

    My moksha disappears, Ukrainians still have it))))

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    Quote Originally Posted by ugochaves View Post
    Moksha, by the way, is indistinguishable from the Eastern Slavs, we see this on the example of the Ukrainians of the Dnieper - the real Ukrainians. And I have Baltic-Finnish roots, so you can't get rid of it now, brother) We are of the same blood, you and me!
    I can't deny it, you are too stubborn to be only Slavic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ugochaves View Post
    Finnish grandfather, now he will be beaten by me. To make the calculator correct, you need to enter not Lithuania as a Baltic proxy, but Latvia. And add central Europeans, for example Slovakia.


    Target: ugo_scaled
    Distance: 1.6028% / 0.01602834
    47.0 Latvian
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    5.4 Erzya
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    1.8 Nganassan
    0.8 Moksha
    0.2 Belarusian

    Target: Ukrainian_Dnipro
    Distance: 0.7349% / 0.00734930
    47.0 Belarusian
    27.8 Slovakian
    25.2 Moksha

    My moksha disappears, Ukrainians still have it))))
    Idk what you try to prove. I already proved who are Russians, with < 1% distances.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lemminkäinen View Post
    I can't deny it, you are too stubborn to be only Slavic.
    I'm angry at you for denying my Baltic-Finnish blood, not because I don't like moksha. And you deny that Russians have Baltic-Finnish ancestors (mostly Merya and Veps). If you are Finnish, it does not mean that you have the right to usurp all Finnish roots

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lemminkäinen View Post
    Idk what you try to prove. I already proved who are Russians, with < 1% distances.
    1. Russians, Moksha and Eastern Ukrainians descended from the same population. You can't deny it. 2. The Eastern Slavs have no Moksha ancestors. Moksha is a small separate people in the east, and this component appears already on the Dnieper. That's what I want to prove. Common ancestors this does not mean that Russians have an admixture of Moksha.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ugochaves View Post
    I'm angry at you for denying my Baltic-Finnish blood, not because I don't like moksha. And you deny that Russians have Baltic-Finnish ancestors (mostly Merya and Veps). If you are Finnish, it does not mean that you have the right to usurp all Finnish roots
    Just conversely, I admitted that you have Finnish stubbornness genes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ugochaves View Post
    1. Russians, Moksha and Eastern Ukrainians descended from the same population. You can't deny it. 2. The Eastern Slavs have no Moksha ancestors. Moksha is a small separate people in the east, and this component appears already on the Dnieper. That's what I want to prove. Common ancestors this does not mean that Russians have an admixture of Moksha.
    You can admit that Russians have Moksha ancestry, because I proved it. Baltic Finns have no Moksha ancestry, Russians have it. Moksha <> Baltic Finnic.

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