Corporatism: The Alternative To Both Capitalism And Socialism

[Tooting Carmen]

And Western states today don't spy on people or punish people for politically incorrect speech. How are hate speech laws democratic?

I am against hate speech laws too. But still, there is a difference between imprisoning someone (which I agree is very draconian) for calling a Black person a "f***ing n****a", and imprisoning someone for saying "down with the President".

[Your Old Comrade]

I am against hate speech laws too. But still, there is a difference between imprisoning someone (which I agree is very draconian) for calling a Black person a "f***ing n****a", and imprisoning someone for saying "down with the President".

No, there isn't. In both, you show your opposition to state dogma. Now. I believe that the first one is inane, but it doesn't change the fact, that you are attacking a state- protected category.

[Tooting Carmen]

No, there isn't. In both, you show your opposition to state dogma. Now. I believe that the first one is inane, but it doesn't change the fact, that you are attacking a state- protected category.

The first one is abuse and harrassment, even though imprisonment is far too draconian, whereas the second one is political speech. In fact, a better comparison still would be imprisoning someone for saying "I oppose African immigration" versus someone saying "down with the President", and imprisonment would be absolutely wrong in both cases.

[Your Old Comrade]

The first one is abuse and harrassment, even though imprisonment is far too draconian, whereas the second one is political speech. In fact, a better comparison still would be imprisoning someone for saying "I oppose African immigration" versus someone saying "down with the President", and imprisonment would be absolutely wrong in both cases.

You get imprisoned, harassed, fined or intimidated these days for saying that you oppose immigration... So...

[Tooting Carmen]

You get imprisoned, harassed, fined or intimidated these days for saying that you oppose immigration... So...

Well I oppose that. Free speech (when not used to directly threaten or incite against individuals) is free speech.

[TheForeigner]

I am against hate speech laws too. But still, there is a difference between imprisoning someone (which I agree is very draconian) for calling a Black person a "f***ing n****a", and imprisoning someone for saying "down with the President".

Talk to me when they arrest or fine some spook for calling whites white trash, crackers etc. like they do often.

[Tooting Carmen]

Talk to me when they arrest or fine some spook for calling whites white trash, crackers etc. like they do often.

Most victims in the real world of racial abuse and harrassment are still non-white.

[Your Old Comrade]

Well I oppose that. Free speech (when not used to directly threaten or incite against individuals) is free speech.

But it's still being done as we speak.

[Your Old Comrade]

Talk to me when they arrest or fine some spook for calling whites white trash, crackers etc. like they do often.

They never do, and never will.

[TheForeigner]

Most victims in the real world of racial abuse and harrassment are still non-white.

I seriously doubt that. Non-whites are far more cocky and aggressive this days. You are basing it on actual prosecution of cases, which almost only applies to whites who use hate speech and almost never to non-whites who do the same. Rap music is filled with hate speech against whites, East Asians etc. and not just in the US. Don't pretend you don't know, just because you have a sexual fetish for them.