For the union of Helenismus and Germanismus.

[Anaximander]

18-19 and 20th century paradigms of how the German intellectual elites viewed Greece-Greeks and Ancient Greek civilization.

From admiration on the German side to hate and envy, from both sides, some say the modern Germans visualized ancient Greeks better than enyone in the history of mankind,
And for some Greeks the Germans were just bad replica and lovers of their dead ancestors ,as dead.

So post here articles that prove the lust, envy, hate and emptyness on the German side in the 18th-19th-20th cent, on the Greek nation.

In my opinion the future of European civilization in simple worlds lies in the combination of the Greek culture and German technological innovation.

As Nietze had once said , Greeks are the cradle of civilization and any future culture can come only from the Greeks,

Greetings

[TheForeigner]

The race of the Hellenes has been wiped out in Europe. Physical beauty, intellectual brilliance, innate harmony and simplicity, art, competition, city, village, the splendour of column and temple — indeed, even the name has disappeared from the surface of the Greek continent.... Not the slightest drop of undiluted Hellenic blood flows in the veins of the Christian population of present-day Greece.[7]

Jakob Philipp Fallmerayer (10 December 1790 – 26 April 1861) was a German Tyrolean traveller, journalist, politician and historian, best known for his controversial discontinuity theory concerning the racial origins of the Greeks, and for his travel writings.[1][2][3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jakob_Philipp_Fallmerayer

[Anaximander]

Jakob Philipp Fallmerayer (10 December 1790 – 26 April 1861) was a German Tyrolean traveller, journalist, politician and historian, best known for his controversial discontinuity theory concerning the racial origins of the Greeks, and for his travel writings.[1][2][3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jakob_Philipp_Fallmerayer

Falmeryer was in pain of the Russian expansionism in the Balkans, thats why he wrote what he wrote, al of those out of envy and with intention to not acheive the spiritual and material unification of the 2 nations.
Falmerayers thises in postmodern era debunked by anthropology ,genetic science, archeology, history, and all other sciences.

[TheForeigner]

Falmeryer was in pain of the Russian expansionism in the Balkans, thats why he wrote what he wrote, al of those out of envy and with intention to not acheive the spiritual and material unification of the 2 nations.
Falmerayers thises in postmodern era debunked by anthropology ,genetic science, archeology, history, and all other sciences.

I know all that but you asked for opinions of German intellectuals on Greeks, past and present. There were some Germans and others too who had such ideas in 19th and early 20th century and even a few fools now, like that British racialist Arthur Kemp who wrote that piece of crap ' March of the titans' this century.

[Anaximander]

I know all that but you asked for opinions of German intellectuals on Greeks, past and present. There were some Germans and others too who had such ideas in 19th and early 20th century and even a few fools now, like that British racialist Arthur Kemp who wrote that piece of crap ' March of the titans' this century.

Have not read the book of Arthur Kempf so cant have an opinion. I agree that there was a part of the German pseudohistorians that questioned the continuity of Hellenic peoples in racial terms.
But even if modern Greeks are not 100% similar to the Classical period ones, there is still the genetic material of these people in us.

[rothaer]

18-19 and 20th century paradigms of how the German intellectual elites viewed Greece-Greeks and Ancient Greek civilization.

From admiration on the German side to hate and envy, from both sides, some say the modern Germans visualized ancient Greeks better than enyone in the history of mankind,
And for some Greeks the Germans were just bad replica and lovers of their dead ancestors ,as dead.

So post here articles that prove the lust, envy, hate and emptyness on the German side in the 18th-19th-20th cent, on the Greek nation.

In my opinion the future of European civilization in simple worlds lies in the combination of the Greek culture and German technological innovation.

As Nietze had once said , Greeks are the cradle of civilization and any future culture can come only from the Greeks,

Greetings

You can fill whole libraries with German hellenophile works. Although not containing envy. Also not hatred, but maybe disgust and rejection of modern Greeks compared to ancient Greeks. There was already disgusted and rejected what was Byzantine Greek. In a German intellectual perception Byzantine Greek is a role model for all what is wrong: Nepotism, corruption, intrigues, selfishness, lack of ideals etc. It's all contained in the word Byzantinismus (Byzantinism). There was a Greece-mania for quite a while but to my perception restricted to ancient Greece, i. e. pre-Roman Greece.

[Anaximander]

You can fill whole libraries with German hellenophile works. Although not containing envy. Also not hatred, but maybe disgust and rejection of modern Greeks compared to ancient Greeks. There was already disgusted and rejected what was Byzantine Greek. In a German intellectual perception Byzantine Greek is a role model for all what is wrong: Nepotism, corruption, intrigues, selfishness, lack of ideals etc. It's all contained in the word Byzantinismus (Byzantinism). There was a Greece-mania for quite a while but to my perception restricted to ancient Greece, i. e. pre-Roman Greece.

There is Byzantinism, and the other option is liberalism. From the 2 i prefer Byzantinism.

This is a good description of Byzantinism, the idiology which made Russia a big Empire.

[Voskos]

Greece through the eyes of a German is a fake Greece that never existed and never will.

Germans are a Barbarian race equivalent to the likes of Papuans, and if it weren't for cultural appropriation of everything Latin , today they'd still dwell in forests and beg Caesar to fight for him as mercenaries.

[Anaximander]

Greece through the eyes of a German is a fake Greece that never existed and never will.

Germans are a Barbarian race equivalent to the likes of Papuans, and if it weren't for cultural appropriation of everything Latin , today they'd still dwell in forests and beg Caesar to fight for him as mercenaries.

Thats not the case mate. Modern Deutschland has a unique culture and civilization, whether u like it or not, when Germans visit Athens , they pity us for living in these contitions.

[Voskos]

Thats not the case mate. Modern Deutschland has a unique culture and civilization, whether u like it or not, when Germans visit Athens , they pity us for living in these contitions.

What is unique about Germany? The Bundesliga and the beer festivals ?The Volkswagen cars? Asians can make better cars (Toyota) and don't have to cheat about the CO2 emissions.

The rich have always pitied the poor, it's not about Greeks and Germans, it's about wealth. Besides, modern Greeks had their economy destroyed twice by Germans : WW2 and financial crisis austerity.