Is there such a thing as an Eastern Orthodox civilization?

[kingmob]

You were the ones who invented the original principle. Worked pretty bloody well for Athens.

"Democracy" with slavery and human/child sacrifices to chthonic deities, what a thing one could claim being proud of.

My ancestors rounded up the degenerate pagans and put them to the sword in the 4th century A.D.+


Cunctos Populos.

[Your Old Comrade]

"Democracy" with slavery and human/child sacrifices to chthonic deities, what a thing one could claim being proud of.

My ancestors rounded up the degenerate pagans and put them to the sword in the 4th century A.D.+


Cunctos Populos.

Cool. But what has 1000 years of Byzantine and later Ottoman autocracy done for Greece ? Not much. You have been kept in an extended Dark Ages until the Bavarians dragged you out kicking and screaming.

[kingmob]

Cool. But what has 1000 years of Byzantine and later Ottoman autocracy done for Greece ? Not much. You have been kept in an extended Dark Ages until the Bavarians dragged you out kicking and screaming.

I disagree.

Hellenism flourished during the Byzantine period (obviously), in all aspects of economic, artistic and philosophical sense, and even under the Ottoman period's conditions (especially after the reforms when Greeks became the mercantile/diplomatic/bureaucratic class).

It's only since the Bavarian intervention, as you call it, that Hellenism has been contracting violently, a mere shadow of its Medieval self.

[Your Old Comrade]

I disagree.

Hellenism flourished during the Byzantine period (obviously), in all aspects of economic, artistic and philosophical sense, and even under the Ottoman period's conditions (especially after the reforms when Greeks became the mercantile/diplomatic/bureaucratic class).

It's only since the Bavarian intervention, as you call it, that Hellenism has been contracting violently, a mere shadow of its Medieval self.

And yet: there are no real monuments to that era. Athens was a shadow by its former self back in 1830. There was nothing. They had done nothing for over 1500 years.

[kingmob]

And yet: there are no real monuments to that era. Athens was a shadow by its former self back in 1830. There was nothing. They had done nothing for over 1500 years.

What are you talking about.

Greece and Turkey and other places that were part of the Empire are full to the brim with churches, monasteries, architecture and all the creations of our ancestors.

Music, literature, art, all ethnographic tradition in the East Med region has the stamp of the ERE and Orthodoxy.

Edit:

Athens was a peripheral little town of the ERE/Ottomans.

The capital of the ethnos was in Constantinople in Thrace/Marmara.

[Creoda]

Since political science isn't real science, the way I see it is that civilisation is a culturally neutral term. At the very least it descibes a complex society that's evolved beyond subsistence, and cultural divergences don't change the fundamental definition. So there is no such thing as an Eastern Orthodox civilisation, but there is Eastern Orthodox civilisation, emphasis on Eastern Orthodox, perhaps separate to the West.

I interpret what the likes of Huntington calls civilisations as just describing separate cultural spheres. In the 21st century it's difficult to say that civilisations are separate in most of the world, when one can live practically the same way almost anywhere, on any continent, due to globalisation and technology. In that sense civilisation is a largely redundant term, unless you're comparing yourself to a bunch of headhunters in Borneo.

[Your Old Comrade]

What are you talking about.

Greece and Turkey and other places that were part of the Empire are full to the brim with churches, monasteries, architecture and all the creations of our ancestors.

Music, literature, art, all ethnographic tradition in the East Med region has the stamp of the ERE and Orthodoxy.

Edit:

Athens was a peripheral little town of the ERE/Ottomans.

The capital of the ethnos was in Constantinople in Thrace/Marmara.

While the heart of classical Greece lies in Athens. True Greece.

[Voskos]

There is no such thing anymore. The world is governed by corporations, Central Bankers, lobbies and social media.

[kingmob]

While the heart of classical Greece lies in Athens. True Greece.

Yeah, typical Western mentality, it's you who gets to declare what is the 'truth' upon the 'natives'.

[Your Old Comrade]

Yeah, typical Western mentality, it's you who gets to declare what is the 'truth' upon the 'natives'.

Greece is part of the Western world. In case you didn't know.