Century of Humiliation

[gixajo]

China is now a role model, an example of freedom and rights, a defender of humanity... They didn't even rebuild the dynasty palace to remember the humiliation, it had nothing to do with the fact that Communists love "worshipping" feudal monarchies. Sigh. One only needs to read a little bit on Mao's Cultural Revolution and the great leap forward to learn that they attempted to destroy every old custom, culture and habits from the old monarchy, they even went as far as desecrating their former emperor graves to burn the remains.

An obedient hive-like society with the individual totally subjugated and directed to the benefit of the state, and all the competitors fighting each other and having crises of all kinds.(2007 economic crisis, the Coronavirus "pandemic" and the war in Ukraine from which China emerges practically unscathed).

Competing with capitalist weapons without any type of ethical limit against ethically limited capitalist economies, while behind closed doors it maintains absolute control over its population, which makes it live in sustained stability.

Yes, it has managed to learn from our strengths and reinforce them with his own, while we become increasingly weaker because we have wrong priorities.

However, in my opinion, becoming a well-cared worker bee living in fairly good comfort is not a success.

I want to have the right to seek the unattainable, to dream of achieving the impossible and to disagree with what is commonly accepted, and I want others to have it too.

[Sebastianus Rex]

It's time for multinationals to stop penny-pinching and bring our industry back to the West. Or, if need be, they should be nationalised and compelled into doing so. Whether they like it, or not.

And who is going to do that ? Those multinationals own the political power.

[Sebastianus Rex]

I admire China in many ways and they have a very rich history but this is a poor attempt at passing China off as a bunch of victims bullied by foreign powers, when in reality they are responsible for more deaths than all the other Empires of Europe from ancient times to the present combined. Interestingly the most developed regions in China are those that have some autonomy or have been in the hands of Westerners or are separated from mainland China (Macau, Hong Kong, Taiwan) and despite years of "Western oppression" they have zero interest in joining mainland China.

I don't think that was the intention of the OP (passing China as victim of western agression), but rather to remind that weak nations risk to be humilliated and subjugated, even a gigantic one as China. The west is becoming increasingly weaker and at risk of internal implosion due to mass immigration and weak political power that is completely under the control of financial elites who care nothing about national interests...or how you guys think China became a major industrial power? Who benefited tremendously by the production shift from the west to China?

[gixajo]

I don't think that was the intention of the OP (passing China as victim of western agression)

I do think precisely this.

or how you guys think China became a major industrial power?

"An obedient hive-like society with the individual totally subjugated and directed to the benefit of the state, and all the competitors fighting each other and having crises of all kinds.(2007 economic crisis, the Coronavirus "pandemic" and the war in Ukraine from which China emerges practically unscathed).

Competing with capitalist weapons without any type of ethical limit against ethically limited capitalist economies, while behind closed doors it maintains absolute control over its population, which makes it live in sustained stability."

Who benefited tremendously by the production shift from the west to China?

Finally seems that China itself, as all of us can find out just now.

[♥ Lily ♥]

More is yet to come, thanks to the CCP cooking the books for decades. The actual Chinese economy seems to be much smaller than people mistook it to be, and, consequently, China was bluffing and is thus much poorer.

It's time for multinationals to stop penny-pinching and bring our industry back to the West. Or, if need be, they should be nationalised and compelled into doing so. Whether they like it, or not.

1. There's no such thing as the CCP. (That's a western media smear, American propaganda, and repeating the mantra of the US neocons like a braindead parrot.) It's called the CPC. Otherwise you may as well call the US as the SU, and the UK as the KU.

2. The GDPs of the economies of the collective west are grossly exaggerated actually. GDP is not an accurate way to measure the strength of an economy, as the western leaders miscalculated the strength of Russia's economy which is still strong with low inflation and a slight growth predicted for next year by the IMF (unlike EU states which are in recession due to the fallout and backlash of their sanctions,) despite over 13,000 sanctions against Russia - which would crash most western economies if that was reversed.

3. China produces twice as many engineers as the US and Europe combined, and has a larger manufacturing capacity for ammunition in the event of an imperialistic US war against China. The US can't bully nuclear superpower nations that have hypersonic missiles and a whole range of other technology and weapons, that the west still lacks.

4. It would takes decades to fully restore Europe's manufacturing capacity according to geopolitical experts. Building factories takes several years, and training engineers and a skilled labour force takes even longer. You can't just convince woke western students (who are focusing on pronouns) to take a sudden interest in studying engineering when there's not much money or career opportunities for this in the west.

5. Europe is de-industrialising even further now due to the permament loss of cheap energy. Net Zero policies combined with high energy costs after the loss of cheap Russian gas, high national debts, high inflation, low spending power of the public due to high energy bills, recession + inflation leads to stagflation, and means that even more factories and industries are closing down now in Europe.

6. In the event of a US proxy war against China, China could simply cut the west off from vital resources with export bans upon a list of the vital things that we need and of which we can't produce ourselves, and economically bring us to our knees - without firing a single shot. China has the rest of the world to trade with and the collective west is only 13% of the total world population.

Many independent economic experts (such as Yves Smith from Naked Capitalism) have said in lengthy and intense discussions that China could simply ban exports of vitamin C to the west (99% of it is produced in China,) shoes, medicines, technology chips, ammunition materials, and a whole range of items that would crash our economies. Most of the items that we depend on and buy are made in China. It would take many years to rebuild all the factories and to manufacture it all ourselves - and the costs of the items would drastically increase too due to the high energy costs to run European factories.

As the Irish MEP Clare Daly has warned, if the US neocons demand for their puppet leaders in Europe to impose sanctions against China, on top of the self-destructive sanctions against Russia, it would be the final nail in the coffins of the struggling European economies. The US would throw Europe under a bus in a US proxy war against the nuclear superpower of China.

The longer the US proxy war against Russia lasts in Ukraine, the more our economies sink from the debt and inflation, and the more our weapons stocks become depleted. China's ammunition production capacity is way beyond our ability for ammunition production capacity.

7. Also we need rare earth minerals and raw material exports from the BRICS+ alliance nations - of which Russia, China, Brazil, India, and SA are members of the alliance. BRICS+ already exceeds the GDPs of the G7 nations, and a very long list of other nations across the Middle East, Africa, and Latin America (all rich in resources) have applied to join the BRICS+ alliance.

Our birthrates are falling, our workforce is shrinking, we lack the manufacturing capacity, we lack the raw materials and resources for more ammunition production - no matter how much printed money is thrown at funding our small and woke militaries - and again, without access to cheap energy resources from Russia, we can't restore our factories and industries as it's far too expensive to fund the energy costs. What are our woke militaries supposed to fight with without much ammunition production capacity? It's over for Europe. That's the price of being a US vassal.

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

I don't think that was the intention of the OP (passing China as victim of western agression), but rather to remind that weak nations risk to be humilliated and subjugated, even a gigantic one as China. The west is becoming increasingly weaker and at risk of internal implosion due to mass immigration and weak political power that is completely under the control of financial elites who care nothing about national interests...or how you guys think China became a major industrial power? Who benefited tremendously by the production shift from the west to China?

The OP's intentions are pretty clear to me. As Gixajo has already mentioned, China has for obvious reasons become a role model for all Putinists, so it is important that we are reminded of the atrocities the West has committed there and is currently doing all around the world, while Russia is bravely fighting back.

[Your Old Comrade]

And who is going to do that ? Those multinationals own the political power.

That's, indeed, the problem. I am always inclined to vote Left for it, as at least the Left has been playing with the idea..

[Sebastianus Rex]

I do think precisely this.



"An obedient hive-like society with the individual totally subjugated and directed to the benefit of the state, and all the competitors fighting each other and having crises of all kinds.(2007 economic crisis, the Coronavirus "pandemic" and the war in Ukraine from which China emerges practically unscathed).

Competing with capitalist weapons without any type of ethical limit against ethically limited capitalist economies, while behind closed doors it maintains absolute control over its population, which makes it live in sustained stability."




Finally seems that China itself, as all of us can find out just now.

It takes two to dance the tango. Or do you believe that holders of the multinationals who own our political establishment are morons or naive?

[Sebastianus Rex]

The OP's intentions are pretty clear to me. As Gixajo has already mentioned, China has for obvious reasons become a role model for all Putinists, so it is important that we are reminded of the atrocities the West has committed there and is currently doing all around the world, while Russia is bravely fighting back.

Actually there are several western leaders who have been praising the Chinese model of social control and the WEF programs implemented step by step by our government follow that path. This is a farse.

[Sebastianus Rex]

That's, indeed, the problem. I am always inclined to vote Left for it, as at least the Left has been playing with the idea..

What? More mass immigration from afro-paki-muslim shitholes "to pay for our pensions"? Just what we need...