Armenians and Middle East Christians on Apricty...

[Albion]

Okay, I'm going out on a limb in posting this, but I feel it needs to be said.


Why do some members oppose Armenians and Middle East Christians on here? Genetically there is no sharp dividing line between South East Europe and these peoples anyway. The division between what is European and what is not becomes a blur at the Balkans.
They have more Middle Eastern associated genes than Balkan peoples, but such can be expected and such haplogroups are found in high frequencies in Southern Europe and Italy and at lower frequencies elsewhere.
Armenians, Georgians and some of the Middle East Christians are physically and genetically related to groups in South and East Europe, it makes no sense to exclude them.

Another issue I feel I must raise is religion. Armenians, Georgians and Middle East Christians practising Christianity and standing their ground against the other Middle Eastern nations should be seen as our allies.
It is quite weird when people will complain about Muslims on here and then at the same time complain about Armenians who've held their ground despite a lack of support from other Europeans for centuries.

Why aren't we supporting Armenians and Georgians on here?

Some haplogroup maps

I also propose the creation of a separate Armenian sub-forum and maybe a Georgian one too (if we get a few Georgian members).

[Han Cholo]

Okay, I'm going out on a limb in posting this, but I feel it needs to be said.


Why do some members oppose Armenians and Middle East Christians on here? Genetically there is no sharp dividing line between South East Europe and these peoples anyway. The division between what is European and what is not becomes a blur at the Balkans.
They have more Middle Eastern associated genes than Balkan peoples, but such can be expected and such haplogroups are found in high frequencies in Southern Europe and Italy and at lower frequencies elsewhere.
Armenians, Georgians and some of the Middle East Christians are physically and genetically related to groups in South and East Europe, it makes no sense to exclude them.

Another issue I feel I must raise is religion. Armenians, Georgians and Middle East Christians practising Christianity and standing their ground against the other Middle Eastern nations should be seen as our allies.
It is quite weird when people will complain about Muslims on here and then at the same time complain about Armenians who've held their ground despite a lack of support from other Europeans for centuries.

Why aren't we supporting Armenians and Georgians on here?

Some haplogroup maps

Because the Armenians here have an extreme sense of entitlement and elevated importance. They're inconsistent and have a jewish-like holocaust paranoia as a result of being massacred by Turks, or probably just insecurity. Everyone who doesn't agree with them: Turks, Georgians, Azeris.

For them, Armenians should look like central Europeans and Aryans and if they don't they're from mixed villages of Gypsies, Turks and Georgians. Not only that but in order to elevate their so called "Europeanness" attack real European entities such as Portugal or Italy. Not only that but they also claim all Europeans descend from Armenians and if that was not enough for you, they're also the Indo-European urhemait and the first civilization.

That pretty much sums it.

Armenians don't care about Europe or Europeans, they just wish to have a European-like phenotype and not a Middle Eastern one. It should also be noted the kind of Christianism they practice is basically Islam with crosses.

[StonyArabia]

There are Bedouin Christians, are you going to accept as Europeans as well. Heck they even follow a European Christian rite, the Greek Orthodox church

[Damião de Góis]

I honestly don't have any opinion about that. But that one armenian girl seems very interested in posting Miss Portugal contestants on various threads, for some strange reason.

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[Sikeliot]

I accept their presence here so long as they accept that they are Middle Eastern Christians or West Asian if they prefer, and not Europeans proper.

[beaver]

Why aren't we supporting Armenians and Georgians on here?

I wouldnt recommend to put them near, its dangerous

[Hess]

Okay, I'm going out on a limb in posting this, but I feel it needs to be said.


Why do some members oppose Armenians and Middle East Christians on here? Genetically there is no sharp dividing line between South East Europe and these peoples anyway. The division between what is European and what is not becomes a blur at the Balkans.
They have more Middle Eastern associated genes than Balkan peoples, but such can be expected and such haplogroups are found in high frequencies in Southern Europe and Italy and at lower frequencies elsewhere.
Armenians, Georgians and some of the Middle East Christians are physically and genetically related to groups in South and East Europe, it makes no sense to exclude them.

Another issue I feel I must raise is religion. Armenians, Georgians and Middle East Christians practising Christianity and standing their ground against the other Middle Eastern nations should be seen as our allies.
It is quite weird when people will complain about Muslims on here and then at the same time complain about Armenians who've held their ground despite a lack of support from other Europeans for centuries.

Why aren't we supporting Armenians and Georgians on here?

Some haplogroup maps

I also propose the creation of a separate Armenian sub-forum and maybe a Georgian one too (if we get a few Georgian members).

Albion, I think you mean well but you probably just haven't seen enough Armenians. Trust me, there is nothing European about their national Ethos- their Christianity is closer to the Egyptian Coptics than to ours, their mindset is very much Semitic, and they could care less about the struggle of Europeans.

[Albion]

Because the Armenians here have an extreme sense of entitlement and elevated importance. They're inconsistent and have a jewish-like holocaust paranoia as a result of being massacred by Turks, or probably just insecurity. Everyone who doesn't agree with them: Turks, Georgians, Azeris.

Can you blame them?

For them, Armenians should look like central Europeans and Aryans and if they don't they're from mixed villages of Gypsies, Turks and Georgians. Not only that but in order to elevate their so called "Europeanness" attack real European entities such as Portugal or Italy. Not only that but they also claim all Europeans descend from Armenians and if that was not enough for you, they're also the Indo-European urhemait and the first civilization.

That pretty much sums it.

These claims are silly, I agree, but I still think they have a place on here.

Armenians don't care about Europe or Europeans, they just wish to have a European-like phenotype and not a Middle Eastern one. It should also be noted the kind of Christianism they practice is basically Islam with crosses.

In what way?

There are Bedouin Christians, are you going to accept as Europeans as well.

Obviously not. But I've highlighted the fact that there is no sudden genetic difference between Southern Europe and parts of the Near East such as Anatolia and Armenia.
The genetics blur, haplogroups don't just stop at the borders of Greece and Russia.

Armenians, Georgians and Ossetians are peripheral Europeans IMO, Assyrians and related groups - the "Middle East Christians" aren't European but shouldn't be left to the "mercy" of the Arabs.

[Han Cholo]

Obviously not. But I've highlighted the fact that there is no sudden genetic difference between Southern Europe and parts of the Near East such as Anatolia and Armenia.
The genetics blur, haplogroups don't just stop at the borders of Greece and Russia.

Armenians, Georgians and Ossetians are peripheral Europeans IMO, Assyrians and related groups - the "Middle East Christians" aren't European but shouldn't be left to the "mercy" of the Arabs.

Haplogroups are not useful. How about you compare the 20% European percentage of South Euro component in Armenians vs. 65% in Greeks? The jump from Russia to Caucasus is even greater. Probably Western Anatolians are close to Greeks but Armenians, as genetics have show are more similar to Northern Iraqis and Assyrians than anything else.

Honestly I would prefer Georgians: they don't speak one weird isolated Indo-European language so there's no danger in them making outraging claims about being the IE urhemait or crap like that, such as their language resembling Welsh.

And remember religion is mostly just a superficial facet: Religion is not important in every day behavior. If you think the Muslim immigrants are aggressive and maladapted just because they're Muslim you're being dead naive It's because of their culture and genetics which are not much different than the average Armenian, regardless of religion.

[Nairi]

I honestly don't have any opinion about that. But that one armenian girl seems very interested in posting Miss Portugal contestants on various threads, for some strange reason.

I always like to help, so if you're reading, here's more material for you:
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Thanks. My posts were for other Portuguese users as a response.