Genetic position of Slovenes

[rothaer]

Why are Hungarians more southern shifted than Kajkavians tho? That's not something that's easy to explain.

However, note that my explanation did not involve Hungarians more than them pushing Lower Pannonian Slavs to the area of Kaikavians.

[Alenka]

Why are Hungarians more southern shifted than Kajkavians tho? That's not something that's easy to explain.

This is just a guess, but maybe because they have direct contact with Romanians.
Meanwhile Kajkavians are not in direct contact with any population so much more southern-shifted.

[rothaer]

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I know that Kaikavian is described as South Slavic, but I once listened at a video with an old rural Kaikavian woman talking and to me the whole habitus and sound of the language was stunning Poland-like. Is there any reasonable possibility to assess Kaikavian to be West Slavic?

[Alenka]

I know that Kaikavian is described as South Slavic, but I once listened at a video with an old rural Kaikavian woman talking and to me the whole habitus and sound of the language was stunning Poland-like. Is there any reasonable possibility to assess Kaikavian to be West Slavic?

In many ways it's like a remnant of the bridge between South Slavic and West Slavic dialectal continuums.

[rothaer]

This is just a guess, but maybe because they have direct contact with Romanians.
Meanwhile Kajkavians are not in direct contact with any population so much more southern-shifted.

Direct contact with Romanians and maybe also that particularly the former Limes and town population at the Danube was pretty Roman Empire coined and "southern" since Roman times and that population did not take part in the Slavic evasion from Lower Pannonia to "Kaikavia", which will have had a primarily rural character.

[Blondie]

Some observation:

1. The Gesta Hungarorum describes Transdanubia as a slavic majority area, except Keszthely and west part of Balaton which was populated by "shepherds of romans" refers to romanized native panonians:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keszthely_culture

2. Pannonian slavs didnt disappear and they did not migrate nowhere. Majority of them just assimilated into hungarian and austrian population. I think the slavic genetic in austrians is much older and came from pannonian slavs. Its not even secret that hungarians and slovenes are very close to each other, they have almost same genetic.

3. I would not put slovaks into the pannonian slavs. Their historical relations is rather connecting to czechs, moravians. Pannonian slavs today: slovenes, north croats, partly hungarians, and a little bit some austrian too.

[Russki]

North Croatian average I added in my datasheet is firmly in the Czechoslovak cluster while Slovenians are more like Hungarians.