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  • нет черкесы более похожи на грузин чем южных русских

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    I don't understand the tendency to single out southern Russians. Russians in the south are not much different from Russians in the central and western parts of the country. Only the color of the hair and eyes. South Russians do not have a Circassian phenotype. Southern Russians live very far from the Caucasus. Russians with snub noses (Bunak V.S.) are more common in southern Russians than in northern Russians. It is unlikely that such a phenotype will be similar to the Adygs. Russians of the South are confused with Russians of the Caucasus and Rostov-on-Don. Russians settled these territories not only from the south, but also from the north, from central Russia and from Ukraine. Like Siberia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vjatych View Post
    I don't understand the tendency to single out southern Russians. Russians in the south are not much different from Russians in the central and western parts of the country. Only the color of the hair and eyes. South Russians do not have a Circassian phenotype. Southern Russians live very far from the Caucasus. Russians with snub noses (Bunak V.S.) are more common in southern Russians than in northern Russians. It is unlikely that such a phenotype will be similar to the Adygs. Russians of the South are confused with Russians of the Caucasus and Rostov-on-Don. Russians settled these territories not only from the south, but also from the north, from central Russia and from Ukraine. Like Siberia.
    what you think what who have more read head west georgians(GURIAN IMERETINS ) or circassians

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    Quote Originally Posted by interes View Post
    what you think what who have more read head west georgians(GURIAN IMERETINS ) or circassians
    I can't tell them apart. Why do you want to be like Europeans? Why did you choose southern Russians? Caucasians are a very ancient people and less mixed than the same Germans or Slavs. They don't need to be like someone else.

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    Логично было бы уже переименовать тему в: "кто светлее, гурийцы или имеретинцы?"
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    How many different Circassians I have seen, and I have seen a lot of them, like other Caucasians, and how many times I have been in the Caucasus, I have rarely noticed that they looked like Russians. For the most part, they are not at all the same as shown here in the photographs. Most of them looked like ordinary Caucasians, from whom it was immediately clear that they were Caucasians and southerners. there were various Pontids, Caaucasion, Armenoid. It was also not uncommon among them to notice strange eyes, similar to Turkic ones. At my university, out of several dozen Circassians, I only mistook one for Russians, the rest had the usual southern appearance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by interes View Post
    a kak ti dumaesh u kavo budet bolshe rijix u zapadnxi gruziin *guriicev .megrelov ili zapadbix imeretin) ili cherkezov/adigov

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    Выписал весь список рыжих на Кавказе, который смог найти в антропологических исследованиях. Из работ антропологов Абдушелишвили(где он подробно изучал население Грузии и Северного Кавказа, кроме Дагестана), Джавахишвили(подробно изучавший грузинские группы) и Дебеца(подробно изучавший аварские группы Дагестана, то есть другие дагестанские группы не рассматриваются, так как просто не изучины. Может я не смог найти по ним исследования.)

    Рыжие.
    В скобках обозначены маленькие племенные группа народности или муниципалитет.

    1) Ахвахи(Аварцы) - 9.3% (Дебец)
    2) Имеретинцы(Вани) - 4% (Абдушелишвили)
    3) Мегрелы(Гали) - 3.1- 4% (Абдушелишвили)
    4) Картлийцы(Гори) - 2.9% (Абдушелишвили)
    5) Кахетинцы(Сигнахи) - 2.6% (Абдушелишвили)
    6) Гунзибцы(Аварцы) - 2.4% (Дебец)
    7) Мегрелы(Мартвили) - 2% (Джавахишвили)
    8) Тиндинцы(Аварцы) - 1.6 (Дебец)
    Абазины(Кисловодск) - 1.6% (Абдушелишвили)
    9) Мохевцы - 1.5% (Абдушелишвили)
    Кабардинцы(Баксанские) - 1.5% (Абдушелишвили)
    10) Имеретинцы (Чиатаури) - 1.4% (Абдушелишвили)
    Абхазы(Очамчира, ассимилированные мегрелы) - 1.4%(Абдушелишвили)
    Кабардинцы (Лескенский) - 1.4%(Абдушелишвили)
    11) Аварцы(Картинцы) -1.3%(Дебец)
    Осетины(Ирафские) -1.3% (Абдушелишвили)
    Бжедухи(Тахтамукайские) -1.3%(Абдушелишвили)
    Абхазы(Гудаута, апсуа) -1.3% (Абдушелишвили)
    12) Джавахи(Ахалкалаки)- 1.2%(Абдушелишвили)
    Мтиулы- 1.2% (Абдушелишвили)
    13) Картлийцы(Каспи) -1.1% (Абдушелишвили)

    I wrote down the entire list of redheads in the Caucasus, which I could find in anthropological research. From the works of anthropologists Abdushelishvili (where he studied in detail the population of Georgia and the North Caucasus, except for Dagestan), Javakhishvili (who studied Georgian groups in detail) and Debets (who studied in detail the Avar groups of Dagestan, that is, other Dagestan groups are not considered, since they simply have not been studied. Maybe I couldn't find any research on them.)

    Redheads.
    Small tribal groups or municipalities are indicated in brackets.

    1) Ahvakhs (Avars) - 9.3% (Debets)
    2) Imeretians (Vani) - 4% (Abdushelishvili)
    3) Megrelians (Gali) - 3.1-4% (Abdushelishvili)
    4) Kartlians (Gori) - 2.9% (Abdushelishvili)
    5) Kakhetians (Sighnaghi) - 2.6% (Abdushelishvili)
    6) Gunzibians (Avars) - 2.4% (Debets)
    7) Megrelians (Martvili) - 2% (Javakhishvili)
    8) Tindins (Avars) - 1.6 (Debets)
    Abazins (Kislovodsk) - 1.6% (Abdushelishvili)
    9) Mokhevtsy - 1.5% (Abdushelishvili)
    Kabardians (Baksan) - 1.5% (Abdushelishvili)
    10) Imeretians (Chiatauri) - 1.4% (Abdushelishvili)
    Abkhazians (Ochamchira, assimilated Mingrelians) - 1.4% (Abdushelishvili)
    Kabardians (Leskensky) - 1.4% (Abdushelishvili)
    11) Avars (Kartintsy) -1.3% (Debets)
    Ossetians (Irafian) -1.3% (Abdushelishvili)
    Bzheduhi(Takhtamukaiskie) -1.3%(Abdushelishvili)
    Abkhazians (Gudauta, Apsua) -1.3% (Abdushelishvili)
    12) Javakhi (Akhalkalaki) - 1.2% (Abdushelishvili)
    Mtiuly - 1.2% (Abdushelishvili)
    13) Kartlians (Kaspi) -1.1% (Abdushelishvili)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vjatych View Post
    I can't tell them apart. Why do you want to be like Europeans? Why did you choose southern Russians? Caucasians are a very ancient people and less mixed than the same Germans or Slavs. They don't need to be like someone else.
    Many people from the Caucasus apparently have some kind of complex. Very often I notice that they love to fill the Internet with photographs of their redheads or blondes, to such an extent that when you try to look about these people on the Internet, these are the photographs of redheads or blondes that come up. Or all sorts of posts and articles on VK or Yandex Zen, what redheads they are). I notice this especially with Chechens. This is false propaganda.

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    Понятно, что на других северокавказцев адыги похоже больше, чем на кого-либо. На грузин - потом. Но, я очень часто узнаю адыгское происхождение в человеке, хоть и не имею большого опыта общения или антропологических изысканий. Объяснить это затрудняюсь.
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    interes
    Kartveli xar, megobaro? Gavisaubrot aba erti. Latinuri shriftit imitom gcer, rom ver gadatargmno, tu ar mipasuxeb kartulad, eseigi didi troli xar))
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vjatych View Post
    I can't tell them apart. Why do you want to be like Europeans? Why did you choose southern Russians? Caucasians are a very ancient people and less mixed than the same Germans or Slavs. They don't need to be like someone else.
    There is no one European phenotype, which one do you mean?

    For me personally it is interesting that Georgians have almost 0 north euro admixture, less than even Armenians and Azeris and still many of them have very light appearance. I do not find lightness to be very attractive or something. Most attractive Georgians I have seen had dark hair and eyes.
    Pale skin is not even considered as beautiful in Georgia, girls get tanned mostly.

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