Prizren, Kosovo described as 'Capital of Albania' by the Austrians in 1689.

[C0de]

Of course it's not just Austrians who mention this town as Albanian but even the Albanian Catholic sources from the 1600's , Turkish traveller Evliya Celebi mentions the western & central parts of Kosovoa at least as Albanian . Anscombe can also be read regarding Kosova. He has some good things too.


If we count Vlachs and Bulgarians in Kosova, it certainly puts the number of Serbs even further down considering some sources show large group of Vlachs. So you tell me.....

[Your Old Comrade]

We can't check to disprove or verify your claims like this. So, my verdict, at first neutral, is now: "bullshit propaganda!"

[C0de]

The Prizren-Has region in Kosovo was inhabited by an Albanian population even in the 1200-1400. These are some of the villages from
the Ottoman registers of 1452 , I have bolded the typical Albanian names (Take into consideration Albanians bore Slavic and Christian names too)

Village Gorožup (Gorozhup): Martin, Progon, Đon (Gjon), Lazar, Đon (Gjon), Čubran (?), Đin (Gjin), Nikola, Đin (Gjin), Staniša, Đin (Gjin), Đerđi (Gjergj), Dimitri, Đerđi (Gjergj), Dimitri, Đerđi (Gjergj), Đin (Gjin), Pavli, Đin (Gjin), Marćen (?), Đon (Gjon), Andreja, Vlk, Nikola, Tanuš (Tanush), Bazrek (possibly a misspelling of Mazrek), Pavli, Tanuš (Tanush), Đon (Gjon), Dimitri, Pavli, D'minko, Pavli, D'minko, Nikola, Đerđi (Gjergj), Hrebeljan, Bardo (Bardhë), Stepan


Village Kojushe: Đerđi (Gjergj), Đon (Gjon), Đerđi (Gjergj), Andreja, Đerđi (Gjergj), Pavli, Tanuš (Tanush), Andreja, Pavli, Nikola, Đerđi (Gjergj), Tanuš (Tanush), Đin (Gjin), Nikola, Petri, Đin (Gjin), Đon (Gjon)



(Village Zym): Nikola, Niko, Đerđi (Gjergj), Dimitri, Pavli, Zgur (a corruption of Skur(r)a), Lik (Lika), Nikola, Niko, Bogoslav


This one is an Albanian toponym 'Zhur' : Village Žur (Zhur): Krajslav, Brat, Olivera, Stojan, Badra (misspelling of Barda), Raško, Nekša (possibly a misspelling of Meksha), Đin (Gjin), Tanuš (Tanush), Pavli, Dimitri, Kalina (?), Jugan (?), Barda (Bardhë), Marko, Bogdan, Novak, Ivan, Božić


Village Mazrek: Strahinja, Đon (Gjon), Đerđi (Gjergj), Mazrak, Bardo (Bardhë), Progon, Sunbula (?), Đon (Gjon), Stepan, Tudor, Pavli, Mazrek, Đon (Gjon), Lješ (Llesh)




Certainly not just the 17th century





And these are literally just a few villages

And here is the source for this one of course https://docplayer.net/57183612-Vilaj...53-godine.html , this one is from a Serb and actually written in Serbian. It's the Vilajet of Pashtrik 1452-53 which covers the Has region.

[C0de]

So how do you explain when the Serbs expanded into Kosovo, Macedonia, Serbia etc in the 12th-13th century they mention Albanians there ? Even in Macedonia for example:

In the 13th and 14th centuries, Byzantine control was punctuated by periods of Bulgarian and Serbian rule. Konstantin Asen ruled as Tsar of the Bulgarian Empire from 1257 to 1277. Later the region was overrun and taken by Serbian Tsar Stefan Dušan. In a document dated between 1348 and 1353, Dušan restored the Lešok Monastery and gifted the monastery entire Albanian-populated villages, as well as the Nanov Dol highlands.[15][16] Stefan Dušan also forbade agricultural and livestock activity in the Nanov Dol highlands for state pasture tax collectors, Albanians and Vlachs.[16][17]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tetovo

So Slavs who invaded these territories lived there first but the non-Slavic people who inhabited that territory just magically disappeared huh and got replaced by Albanians and Vlachs huh ?

[C0de]

You need to explain the historical presence of Albanians in Toplica and Macedonia in which linguists also claim these town names there developed from Albanian:

Naissus -> Nish, Scupi->Shkup, Astibos->Shtip, Ulpiana -> Lipjan , not just Kosova but it's surrounding areas, my friend, which was also part of Dardanian territory.

[C0de]

You certainly did not live here first. It's completely nonsense.

[Dušan]

Albanians are proven to be pre slavic balkan natives.

People should understand that Albanians were very small numbered tribal people, until mid of 20th century.

It is easy to check results of censuses from the first half of 20th century.

Census 1930. in Albania - only 833,618 inhabitants (not all of them ethnic Albanians)
Census 1931. in Yugoslavia (including Serbia with Kosovo province, N. Macedonia, Montenegro) - only 505,259 Albanians.

Meanwhile, for comparison and example, number of Serbs in 1931. in Bosnia-Herzegovina only, were 1,028,139 - higher than in entire Albania had total population, and two times more than all Albanians in entire Yugoslavia.

[Dušan]

Their numbers in past were even lower.
About what history they are talking about?
Few isolated tribes, which had first expansion during Ottoman ocupation, and second demographic expansion during 20th century.

[Aloe]

Someone asked for the source here. The text in the OP was taken from Austrian military archives, translated by Robert Elsie:

“]Notes and Reflections on the Glorious Arms of Imperial Forces in 1689” is an anonymous German-language manuscript preserved at the Military Archives (Kriegsarchiv) in Vienna, Austria, which is itself the translation of a longer work in Italian entitled “Origine della guerra fra l’Imperatore dei Christiani, e quello de Turchi l’anno 1682”. It focuses, among other things, on the Imperial Austrian offensive against Ottoman forces in Kosovo, Macedonia and northern Albania during the Great Turkish War of 1683-1699. The manuscript is of particular Albanian interest as it describes the organised presence of the Albanians and their military forces in seventeenth-century Kosovo.Also of interest is the reference to the Albanian archbishop Pjetër Bogdani and his death in Prizren. The Albanians are mentioned in this manuscript as Albanese and Arnauts, the former term referring no doubt more to Catholics and later more to Muslims, and the Serbs are referred to as Rascians. Manuscript folio numbers and modern place names, where found, have been added here in square brackets for the convenience of the reader.

Kosovo in the Great Turkish War 1689-90


Whoever don't like what these texts say, too bad for you.


Regarding the defter of Brankovic and all these so called ''registers'' , they are compleltely unreliable as stated countless times as they are not registers nor cover most of these areas.



The actual registers show a large Albanian population. We can first start with the Vilajet of Pashtrik 1452-53 covering the Has region. Also registers from 1480 which covered the Gjakova-Decan area show a numerous Albanian population. We can also include into this placenames from 1300's and further registers from 1500's. The Ottomans also recorded newcomers, majority of newcomers were Slavs and not Albanians during these periods.

[Aloe]

These Serbian nationalists seem to be slow, but let me break it down a bit. Your history there is fake. Your claims regarding the events of 1689 is a fake version of history which is not even what the original manuscripts say.