Do Kurds deserve to be independent?

[Annihilus]

It is my native land.

[Mejgusu]

Independence is taken with blood, not because you "deserve" it.

It won't happen, not while there is blood in me.

There are examples of countries which became peacefully independent, to a certain degree.

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Kurds are an anchor of stability in Middle East, there are 30-40 Million Kurds but they don’t have an own nation. According your logic, PKK is a legitimate movement for Kurdish independence,

[Annihilus]

There are examples of countries which became peacefully independent, to a certain degree.



Kurds are an anchor of stability in Middle East, there are 30-40 Million Kurds but they don’t have an own nation. According your logic, PKK is a legitimate movement for Kurdish independence,

The Kurds in Turkey have their own nation, it's called Turkey. And no, PKK has honourless tactics I despise.

I asked this many times, in this Kurdistan independence story, are all Kurds going to leave Istanbul Ankara etc? And what happens to the 4.000.000 or so mixed marriages?

[Dušan]

Sure Usa&Isreal need a cannon fodder against Iran. Find some mountain cave dwellers who infested the region which was depopulated by Ottoman killing of Turks and armenians and claim that these invading cave dwellers are the owners of the region. Of course people would buy into that, people bought into Saddam's weapons of mass destruction without problem.

Understandable, you always want everything for your race and your people. So when are you claiming independence in Germany and Sweden?

Well, Ankara is one of the main supporters of mountain cave dwellers who infested the Kosovo region which was depopulated by Ottoman violence on Serbs.

By the way, why Kurds shouldnt have their own state?

[Mejgusu]

The Kurds in Turkey have their own nation, it's called Turkey. And no, PKK has honourless tactics I despise.

I asked this many times, in this Kurdistan independence story, are all Kurds going to leave Istanbul Ankara etc? And what happens to the 4.000.000 or so mixed marriages?

Most Kurds, I mean the overwhelming majority would support the idea of becoming independent in Turkiye.

Both, Turkiye and Kurdistan could arrange an agreement which assures minority rights, for Kurds in Turkiye and Turks in Kurdistan. You are right asking about the fate of Kurds in Turkish cities, they probably have to leave Turkiye if they voted for independence in a theoretical referendum. That’s complicated, I don’t say the process of independence is easy working. Mixed people can decide where they want to live, most of them are fully Turkified and I think they will decide for Turkiye.

[Dušan]

Kurdish regions have much higher fertility rate than other parts.

Demography wise, Kurds can wait and multiply and take even more they hold now.

[Annihilus]

Most Kurds, I mean the overwhelming majority would support the idea of becoming independent in Turkiye.

Both, Turkiye and Kurdistan could arrange an agreement which assures minority rights, for Kurds in Turkiye and Turks in Kurdistan. You are right asking about the fate of Kurds in Turkish cities, they probably have to leave Turkiye if they voted for independence in a theoretical referendum. That’s complicated, I don’t say the process of independence is easy working. Mixed people can decide where they want to live, most of them are fully Turkified and I think they will decide for Turkiye.

Everybody in Turkey is something. I am macır, you have your arnavut, çerkez, laz etc. I am not going to list them all, give them all independence? And what about you, independence for gypsies too?

Besides the Kurds sold their souls to the Turks when they killed the Armenians.

Fact is, majority in Turkey is against splitting up Turkey, it's not gonna happen.

I am for helping Kurdistan in Iraq to become an independent nation, that way we'll have a place to ship unwanted elements.

[Mejgusu]

Kurdish regions have much higher fertility rate than other parts.

Demography wise, Kurds can wait and multiply and take even more they hold now.

We talked about this topic weeks ago, Kurdish birth rate will probably drop in the next years and their fertility rate won’t be different to Turkish fertility rate. Also humans aren’t barbarians, why should they get children just to become independent, that is irresponsible.

Everybody in Turkey is something. I am macır, you have your arnavut, çerkez, laz etc. I am not going to list them all, give them all independence? And what about you, independence for gypsies too?

Albanians have their own state and Circissians nor Laz people have independence movements. I don’t get your last sentence, but I think Roma don’t have an independence movement too.

Besides the Kurds sold their souls to the Turks when they killed the Armenians.

You aren’t wrong, but that’s not the topic.

Fact is, majority in Turkey is against splitting up Turkey, it's not gonna happen.

Of course most ethnic Turks don’t want Kurdish independence, that would be a huge strategic loss for Turkiye. But the question is, what do Kurds want. This is actually their land now, regardless what people lived there in the past. Kurdish question is a matter of fact, there are 20 Million people and mist of them want to be independent, we aren’t talking about small minorities who are spread all over Turkiye.

[DomitiusAurelian]

Yes, but only on one condition. All the Kurds in the western part will leave Turkiye entirely and go to their new state. There will be no Kurds in Turkiye. They can happily live in their own country, good luck. Kısacası ne ölün ölüme ne dirin dirime. Su veren itfaiyenin hortumunu sikeyim.

[Mejgusu]