hg J origin in Europe.

[Abti]

There is basal IJ that may have been J* upstream in an WHG sample. Long before arrival of ANE west of the Urals.

It wouldn’t surprise me at all. This WHG-like pop may have trekked with or diverged from the one in Europe. In the Transcaucasian area in a movement that probably resembled a crescent that projected into Europe and explanation for a J* in an EHG sample.

[Abti]

So, to put it bluntly. J is more a European than R.

[dviz]

So, to put it bluntly. J is more a European than R.

Yes, it is. South Europeans are 2 thirds Middle Eastern and 1 third Central Asian, and North Europeans are half Middle Eastern and half (Central and North) Asian.

I haplo, the original Europeans, have in fact migrated from the Middle East.

R is the brother of Q, the haplo of all native Americans, and the cousin of O and N (East Asian and Siberian, respectively).

This sounds a bit trollish, but it's not.

[Abti]

……

@dviz what is your hg?

[dviz]

……

@dviz what is your hg?

I've never tested, and I don't plan to - for privacy reasons.

[Impaler]

My J subclade has Caucasian origins. It's prevalent among Chechen/Ingush people.
https://www.yfull.com/tree/J-Y18824/

[Ugo]

The J of modern Europeans is not a European, but a relatively modern Middle Eastern migrant who has not passed the European path.

[Hektor12]

The J of modern Europeans is not a European, but a relatively modern Middle Eastern migrant who has not passed the European path.

This european/middle eastern division attempts are so cringe.

[Ugo]

This european/middle eastern division attempts are so cringe.

Why do you need Europe?

[Miko]

Haplogroup J is close enough to haplogroup I, even though J has evolved mainly outside of Europe.

It's different from haplogroup O or Q to hgs N and R respectively. The former are highly differentited from the latter.
But they also were "European" (we say European because it's the name of the civilization that has changed the least).

Pretty much all men in the world are 'White men'. Only black men have hundreds of millions in their haplogroup and they could be ascribed to a 'brown/black haplogroup'.