Estado Novo vs Third Reich

[Tooting Carmen]

Not sure but looking at nowadays it has a appeal internationally, for many other nations as well. If you count neo-nazis, in the US it has also a great appeal, there used to be nazi activities, pro-hitler activities, until they were banned for being anti-american, but it had a big appeal, at least more then one would think.

What I am about to say is deeply controversial, but here goes: Latin nations, whether in Europe or the Americas, maybe more prone to authoritarianism (mostly of the tin-pot military variety), but no one quite does totalitarianism (at least of a right-wing variety) like Germanics. Not just Nazism, but also Apartheid and, yes, Jim Crow. Before I am pelted with stones: being told who you can marry, where you can live, what school you can attend and even which entrance of the bank or post office you can use all in the name of "preserving racial purity" strikes me as being pretty totalitarian. (Or else pretty fucked-up, at any rate).

[Mortimer]

What I am about to say is deeply controversial, but here goes: Latin nations, whether in Europe or the Americas, maybe more prone to authoritarianism (mostly of the tin-pot military variety), but no one quite does totalitarianism (at least of a right-wing variety) like Germanics. Not just Nazism, but also Apartheid and, yes, Jim Crow. Before I am pelted with stones: being told who you can marry, where you can live, what school you can attend and even which entrance of the bank or post office you can use all in the name of "preserving racial purity" strikes me as being pretty totalitarian. (Or else pretty fucked-up, at any rate).

Yes I agree Jim Crow is pretty totalitarian too.

[Tooting Carmen]

Yes I agree Jim Crow is pretty totalitarian too.

Yes I know, but I added the disclaimer because I know this forum has quite a few apologists for it, who moreover think that anyone who criticises it is either a Communist or else an open borders libertarian. (I am none).

[Hexachordia]

The Salazar regime is an interesting case study, obviously his entire ideal was built on Catholic foundamentalism, like an Arabian style of Catholicism, why should not it work? if were not for some religious back-stabbings that some people just secretly violated the religious commands. To sustain such a system one needs to maintain a very harsh national religious dogmatism like India, Islamic countries(maybe even Israel?). We can take Nazism and Salazarism as sporadic foundamentalist eruptions on the basis of diverse european religious sects, just like India, Islam, Zionism. Western liberalism is pretty much like China since ancient times, very materialistic, secular, polemic oriented, the only difference is that Europe benefit from very rich and diverse philosophical traditions, as China have been oppressing the divergence of thoughts, upholding only one school of philosophy which deemed the most suitable for autocrasy. The ideological vitality of the Europe is rooted in the endless and continuous religious movements derived from legacies from Egypt, Greece, Rome and Renaissance, this vitality even can supercede all known fascistic regimes like what foundamentalisms can produce in any part of the world. UK is not only liberal, but there is a vitality hidden there like that in all major european countries and most deeply in the prominent members of it. This ideological vitality is the most important factor of political, scientific, ideological hegemony of Europe over the world today, fooling every country outside them around with great ease and get whatever they want from them. The world need a totally novel type of historiological awareness to balance the european ideological hegemony, which is the most important form of hegemony to be taken into account, while the similar vitality can be made more afloat and free like market economy in favor of all people.

Authoritarianism can be seen as the lost of ideological vitality while inheriting the legacies of the old school systematical and religious movements. China, inherit the zionist legacy, combining with our own best and worst part of native cultures, become communistic and atheistic; India, the radical racialism and mythical believes, combining with their own native religions, becomes Hinduism. All of them lack vitality in culture, ideology, like aging people learning to be young and desperately trying western drugs while sucking on their own young posterities. Colonies all are the same case, no vitality, just empty systems like big robes on emanciated models.

[Token]

George Orwell famously claimed/observed that fascism could never take off in Britain because the British would just laugh at a would-be dictator prancing around.

You guys have a king in the 21st century, in the full light of modernity. Is there anything more laughable than that?

[Tooting Carmen]

You guys have a king in the 21st century, in the full light of modernity. Is there anything more laughable than that?

You are preaching to the converted: I am vehemently anti-monarchy, and a growing percentage of British people are too. All the same, check out this interesting article: https://unherd.com/2021/03/why-monar...cvNDLziQZIH47A

[Token]

You are preaching to the converted: I am vehemently anti-monarchy, and a growing percentage of British people are too. All the same, check out this interesting article: https://unherd.com/2021/03/why-monar...cvNDLziQZIH47A

Thank you for giving me a good laugh with this pitiful text. The conservative writer's need to falsely paint the British and their monarchy as historically anti-racist and "naturally multiracial" shows how pathetical and utterly defeated is the neo-conservative field in the West.

As Hegel nicely said, one cannot skip over the Spirit of his people any more than one can skip over the earth.

[Tooting Carmen]

Thank you for giving me a good laugh with this pitiful text. The conservative writer's need to falsely paint the British and their monarchy as historically anti-racist and "naturally multiracial" shows how pathetical and utterly defeated is the neo-conservative field in the West.

As Hegel nicely said, one cannot skip over the Spirit of his people any more than one can skip over the earth.

Like I said, I am vehemently anti-monarchy myself, and regard the concept of hereditary government an abomination. Nonetheless, (1) at least within reason, I am prepared to listen to other perspectives and (2) I principally mentioned Orwell's comments about fascism in Britain because, instead of contrasting a democratic society with a dictatorial one which he did, I want to contrast a less repressive fascist dictatorship with a more repressive one, and ask how did Portugal end up the former and Germany the latter?

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