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    Default Italians' opinions on their Citizenship laws

    From what I know Italy's one of the only countries, if not the only one, to provide citizenship based on the Ius Sanguinis principle with no generational limit.

    Some sources have done "studies" that show Italians are kinda supportive of bringing Italy in line with model Western European countries.
    For many years, Italian politicians have been discussing proposals to bring Italy in line with most European countries, where children born in the country either have a right to citizenship at birth (ius soli), irrespective of their parents’ citizenship (such as in Germany, Portugal), or gain entitlement to it after a few years in the country during childhood (e.g. the Netherlands, Sweden).

    [...] In 2017 the political parties Fratelli d’Italia and Lega blocked the first proposal to reform a citizenship law to reach the Senate and, today, they continue opposing the watered-down ius scholae proposal (the possibility for non-Italian minors to request citizenship after completion of at least a 5-year school cycle), recently discussed in the House of Deputies.

    [..] In our study we asked a sample of almost 1500 Italian citizens to indicate for whom, out of different hypothetical children’s profiles, they would be in favour of granting Italian citizenship.

    [...] Based on our survey, we find that 90 percent of voters support either a pure (25 percent) or a conditional ius soli (65 percent). Only 10 percent of the Italian electorate is against any kind of ius soli.
    Other media have proposed a "Ius Culturae" principle.


    This past October, the Italian Parliament’s Constitutional Affairs Committee brought back to the table the discussion about a reform of the citizenship law currently in force, which dates back to 1992 and mainly awards Italian citizenship through blood ties. The so-called jus culturae (Latin for “cultural right”) would offer a third alternative to the more common jus soli and jus sanguinis, which recognize birthright citizenship and citizenship by bloodlines, respectively. The reform instead proposes citizenship by cultural assimilation, mainly through the Italian education system, and aims to support demographic growth in a country with low birth rates.
    While they have dennounced immigrants suffer a lot for not having their citizenhip automatically handed over to them.
    Uyangoda, a 26-year-old journalist and migration rights activist, moved to Italy with her family 20 years ago, fleeing Sri Lanka’s civil war. Despite having known no other home than Italy ever since, she cannot fully call herself Italian, because she doesn’t have the legal documents attesting it. She could have applied for citizenship after turning 18, but she didn’t do so during the one-year period during which people in situations like hers are permitted to apply for citizenship. After they turn 19 and want to apply, they have to provide a legal declaration giving a valid reason for not having applied during that one-year period.

    “It became a matter of principle. I wanted it to be a naturally recognized right, not something I had to ask for,” Uyangoda said. She is part of a growing number of Italian-raised descendants of immigrants demanding more visibility. Currently, one of the requirements for a citizenship application is providing evidence of sufficient income for the whole family.

    As many migrants lost their jobs or could only find illegal job options during the economic crisis, they often have trouble providing evidence of continuous legal residence in the country for 10 years. Because of the high costs of the application process—250 euros ($275) just to submit the application form, plus other bureaucratic expenses—entire families simply give up.
    And attacked citizenship by bloodline.
    Ayoub Saidi, 25, was born in Morocco but grew up in northern Italy. One of the festival’s organizers, Saidi said he’s always found it odd that the current law recognizes citizenship rights for descendants of the Italian diaspora worldwide who no longer speak the language or never visited the country, but not to youngsters who, like him, have grown up in Italy, attended Italian schools, and fully embraced Italian culture and lifestyle.
    And have stated that the way forward is a multicultural Italy.
    Although recent statistics show that seven out of 10 Italians are in favor of the reform, Gulia believes more years of education aimed at normalizing a multicultural Italy are needed before an actual change will come. Starting in elementary schools, he said, is the way forward because “the difference at the moment is only perceived by adults,” as older generations were raised on myths and stereotypes about immigrants, compared to today’s youth.
    And even last year there was a proposal for citizenship reform, though it was contested.
    In March 2022, the Constitutional Affairs Committee of the Chamber of Deputies in Italy adopted the first draft of a text on citizenship reform. It was voted in by many political parties, including the 5 Star Movement (Movimento 5 Stelle), the Democratic Party (Partito Democratico), Italia Viva, Liberi e Uguali, and Forza Italia.

    30 years after the adoption of the current citizenship law in 1992, debate around its reformation feels never-ending. During the last 20 years several attempts to reform it have failed. Now, this new draft outlines a model for the granting of Italian citizenship for those that have attended school in the country. In particular it states that a child born in Italy to foreign parents that has legal residence, and has also regularly attended school for at least one academic cycle for a minimum of five years, can acquire Italian citizenship at the request of the parents. This route is also open to children not born in Italy as long as they are under the age of 12.

    According to Italian law, those born to non-citizen parents can acquire citizenship if they were born in Italy, have had uninterrupted residence until turning 18, and have submitted a statement of intent within one year of their eighteenth birthday. In practice, though, the process is complex and difficult to navigate, and claims are often denied the first time round. According to data collected by a survey for Action Aid, between 1.8 and 2.5 million people are excluded from citizenship despite being born or raised in Italy. More than half of these people are aged 18 or above.
    What do Italians think about it?
    Are you in favor of Ius Sanguinis?
    If so, do you think it should have a generational limit?
    Do you think a real Italian should have a minimum percentage of Italian ancestry?
    Or do you think people with not a single drop of Italian blood who were born there are more Italian than people who have Italian blood but weren't born in Italy?
    Or maybe you're against both and think Italians should only be those born in Italy by ethnic Italian parents?
    Are you in favor of Dual Citizenship?

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    IVS SANGVINIS >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> IVS SOLIS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Incal View Post
    IVS SANGVINIS >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> IVS SOLIS.
    Is Colombia the only based country in the Americas?



    https://www.elibrary.imf.org/view/jo...le-A014-en.xml

    Edit: the Guyanas and Suriname aren't real countries.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ćđelfriţ View Post
    Is Colombia the only based country in the Americas?
    Well I don't really mind IVS SOLIS in the Americas because we are the New World... and besides the US and Canada I don't really know about someone who'd like to become colombian or bolivian lol though some russkies have been claiming argie passports.

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    Many countries do not allow double passports, such as CHINA-JAPAN INDIA PAKISTAN and many others -..

    If the child of Chinese residents in Italy obtains Italian citizenship only for the fact of being born in Italy ("ius soli") he loses citizenship Chinese.

    It is better to leave the choice when he reaches the right age to decide independently, i.e. 18 years.

    At 18, if he wants, he will be able to apply for Italian citizenship without many/any problems.

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    Quote Originally Posted by renaissance12 View Post
    Many countries do not allow double passports, such as CHINA-JAPAN INDIA PAKISTAN and many others -..

    If the child of Chinese residents in Italy obtains Italian citizenship only for the fact of being born in Italy ("ius soli") he loses citizenship Chinese.

    It is better to leave the choice when he reaches the right age to decide independently, i.e. 18 years.

    At 18, if he wants, he will be able to apply for Italian citizenship without many/any problems.
    And what do you think about the Italian diaspora around the world?

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    I just made my 2 kids italian last week

    We love Italy, come from Italians and share lots of culture (been there and felt at home). I have no doubt we make better Italians living somewhere else, than any person living in Italy with a complete different culture and views.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Annie999 View Post
    I just made my 2 kids italian last week

    We love Italy, come from Italians and share lots of culture (been there and felt at home). I have no doubt we make better Italians living somewhere else, than any person living in Italy with a complete different culture and views.
    I agree, but I might be biased. Because of that I kinda get those Italians that think there should be a limit on generations and that maybe there should be an Italian proficiency test as well, though Ius Soli with weak borders is obviously a path to the downfall of a nation.

    Congratulations for your family!

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    Is the diaspora from Anglo countries viewed differently from that of Latin America?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ćđelfriţ View Post
    Is Colombia the only based country in the Americas?



    https://www.elibrary.imf.org/view/jo...le-A014-en.xml

    Edit: the Guyanas and Suriname aren't real countries.
    This map is outdated for Ireland at least. They no longer have birthright citizenship since 2004 because it was so abused with pregnant women rocking up to have their babies there.

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