View Poll Results: Geopolitical future of Moldova

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  • stand alone path towards EU/NATO

    5 26.32%
  • unification with Romania

    10 52.63%
  • joining Eurasian Economic Union

    1 5.26%
  • status quo

    2 10.53%
  • war and annexation of Transnitria with Russia

    1 5.26%
  • war and dissolution of Transnitria, than option 1

    1 5.26%
  • something else

    3 15.79%
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas View Post
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    No one has said that German reunification was a matter based solely on economic gains or losses or that it wasn't the right decision, but that doesn't invalidate what has been said. When there are regions with strong discrepancies within the same country, relations more often that not start to deteriorate. Family should always come above money but families that do not know how to manage their finances are usually more likely to become dysfunctional. We see this all over Europe, from the autonomous regions of Spain to the divisive Belgium, the gap between North and South of Italy, the East and West of Germany, etc. Some spend their lives complaining that other, more impoverished regions are taking funds that are owed to them. This can give rise to separatist movements and internal conflicts so it's something that always has to be equated when joining two states.
    This is true.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cybele View Post
    The question about the economic impact of the union and how that affects our countries financially, is totally valid imo. Because one has to talk about these practical aspects too. In South Korea, they have a Ministry of Unification in charge of developing plans on different issues like: infrastructure, economy, education, health, culture with a view in the unification of the two Koreas. To my knowledge there are no such governmental departments in Romania or R.of Moldova, to seriously think and discuss union. As a bigger country, Romania should probably take charge of this. But Moldovans should give their feedback (if they're really interested) and approve in majority for the union to happen (currently the percentage is under 50%).
    Unification means that Romania commits to pay equal salaries, allowances, pensions and so on, for its citizens from both sides of the Prut river. Commits to develop equally the hospitals, schools, roads...
    At the moment there are problems in all these sectors in Romania, so how would we handle to bring more people to our level (and that in maybe 20 years), which is already not the best? We haven't even sorted our own problems.
    And our part of Moldova is already less developed than other regions, with less investments and higher rates of poverty in certain counties. And our Moldova region has been part of the country for a long time already. I believe Iasi county is the only one, which is doing best in the region.
    We have to think the issue on all sides, not only based on emotions (talking about emotions: I don't even know if the feelings of brotherhood are so strong even).
    Exactly.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cybele View Post
    Right, but from my interaction with the Moldovans from Republic, they never viewed Romanians as family. They viewed Romania as a place where they have free education and easier to move afterwards to West. They were always more close, talkative and helpful to eachother, in their group, which is understandable as they identify more socially , culturally with one another, than with Romanians. I mean of course, we were on good terms but in their group they behaved differently. I had a Moldovan colleague and initially thought she's quite lonely, as she was only interacting more with only one Romanian roommate, but in reality she was much more in contact with her group of Moldovans.
    Sorry, I don't believe in this family/ brotherhood stuff (I used to), as the attitude of Moldovans I've interacted with, demonstrated me.
    Here in Italy they also stick to each other.

    When I was a kid I used to be upset about our separation and wished for a union, nowadays I'm like eh, I realize they're different enough people and I've accepted it. I don't feel much closeness to Moldovans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas View Post
    As far as I'm concerned, there's nothing wrong with Star Wars. I used that and the other bits as a counter-argument because I think it's hypocritical to say you loathe the West and be a by-product of it at the same time. The Star Wars saga seems to be fun but I am really only familiar with the first three movies.
    I dont hate the West, i just dislike its political system, so i say many critic. I said many critic about Germany or Hungary too, does it means i hate thse countries? I dont think that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tommie View Post
    Difference is that East Germans are still pretty much German and not so different from West Germans.

    Moldova is a different story, I would've considered Moldovans to be family long time ago, but now? No. There are many "fake" Moldovans, since the Soviets deported and killed many Moldovan/Romanian families after WW2 and brought others in their place. There are many ethnic Ukrainians, Russians and numerous other groups like Gagauz and others in Moldova. Russians are not only in Transnistria but also in Chisinau and adjacent places. And it's not as easy as to say we could just kick them out if Moldova joins Romania, because all those people consider Moldova their home now and lots, I mean lots of Moldovans are recently mixed. Many have connections with Russia. And from what I know, East Germans don't have a separate identity from West Germans, whereas it's not the case for Moldovans. Moldovans are also not very fond of Romania, they only see Romania as an advantage to obtain EU citizenship so they could move around freely.

    So, again, why would I consider these people to be family?
    Fair arguments, but look in your heart. When your looking into Aspirin's eyes, don you see any brothership? Dont you want unify with him?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Blondie View Post
    Fair arguments, but look in your heart. When your looking into Aspirin's eyes, don you see any brothership? Dont you want unify with him?

    To be honest looking him in the eye i see a determined guy who would do any job to support his family and in any part of the country/world and decent in many professions like doctor, teacher, plumber, construction worker, milkman.. What a caring guy! I would love to be in a brotherhood with him..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hektor12 View Post
    To be honest looking him in the eye i see a determined guy who would do any job to support his family and in any part of the country/world and decent in many professions like doctor, teacher, plumber, construction worker, milkman.. What a caring guy! I would love to be in a brotherhood with him..
    Dude, that is Johnny Sins, American porn star.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blondie View Post
    (...) Dont you want unify with him?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hektor12 View Post
    To be honest looking him in the eye i see a determined guy who would do any job (...) I would love to be (...) with him..
    Quote Originally Posted by TheForeigner View Post
    Dude, that is Johnny Sins, American porn star.
    I summarise: He's a professional allround unificator.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rothaer View Post
    I summarise: He's a professional allround unificator.
    You said well Tom Selleck

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheForeigner View Post
    Dude, that is Johnny Sins, American porn star.
    Dont judge people for the temporary jobs that they have to do to bring food on the table for their little children. Hes a good hearted man. Also hes naturalized American, before moving to Usa he was a Turkish citizen. Hes still connected to his roots.






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