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    Default What are your criteria and standards to consider a person white?

    I completely disagree with one-drop rule because it wouldn't make sense even in Europe (homeland of white people), since some Iberians and Italians, for example, usually score some MENA (even if it's minor), and sometimes they can score (not so often) even a low percentage of SSA (when it happens, it's usually lower than 1%, but it still happens). Furthermore, some eastern-europeans (especially Hungarians and Romanians, for example) and some northeastern-europeans (Finns, Russians, Estonians, Lithuanians and so on) very often score some eastern-Asian DNA (in most cases, not a higher amount than 5%) and all these people mentioned before should not only be considered white, but also fully-European. The minor non-Euro admixture doesn't make most of them look non-white. That's why I reject the "one-drop rule" and related concepts when it comes to race. The only standard I adopt for considering someone white is having a phenotype that passes as a native somewhere in Europe. I don't take genetics into account at all.
    For example: this footballer (David Luiz) and his sister were born from the same parents (white mother and mulatto/griffe father) and probably share similar DNA results:



    I consider him white, because he can easily pass in places like Iberia, Italy (and not even as a wog one; his phenotype looks average euro - and would look even more if he had a haircut or a hair straightening, although there are minor native people from Europe with very curly hair like his).
    On the other hand, his sister looks typically mulatta and therefore, doesn't pass as a native in Europe - so, I obviously won't consider her white.

    This is my objective standard to determine whether a person is or is not white.

    And you? What are your criteria and standards to determine objectively if a person is white or not?

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    Well, judging by non-white admixture (both ancient and recent), the concept of white race throughout one-drop-rule is nonexistent, for some reasons:

    - CHG/Iran_Calcolhitic (West Asian) is present in every european population, brought mainly from steppe herders.

    - ANE/Siberian is present nowadays in every european at different levels.

    You should focus more on deep ancestry instead of pointing the same thing like everyone does.

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    White: A European that lost his-her identity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Padanian View Post
    SSA (when it happens, it's usually lower than 1%, but it still happens)
    Target: Romanian
    Distance: 3.7635% / 0.03763477
    95.8 Austrian
    3.4 Basque_French
    0.8 Yoruba

    Target: Spanish_Valencia
    Distance: 2.6648% / 0.02664757
    78.6 Basque_French
    19.8 Austrian
    1.6 Yoruba

    Target: Portuguese
    Distance: 3.5917% / 0.03591706
    74.6 Basque_French
    22.2 Austrian
    3.2 Yoruba

    Target: Spanish_Galicia
    Distance: 3.0087% / 0.03008742
    74.4 Basque_French
    22.8 Austrian
    2.8 Yoruba

    Target: Spanish_Andalucia
    Distance: 3.2352% / 0.03235194
    80.0 Basque_French
    17.2 Austrian
    2.8 Yoruba

    Target: Spanish_Alacant
    Distance: 3.0376% / 0.03037590
    76.6 Basque_French
    21.2 Austrian
    2.2 Yoruba

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    Simple= Europid and Europo-Mongoloid phenotype. (Not as genetic lottery, only if its consistent with ancestry)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hektor12 View Post
    Europo-Mongoloid phenotype
    This corresponds to ANE+ASI (American Native and Latino). Are they white too?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vjatych View Post
    Target: Romanian
    Distance: 3.7635% / 0.03763477
    95.8 Austrian
    3.4 Basque_French
    0.8 Yoruba

    Target: Spanish_Valencia
    Distance: 2.6648% / 0.02664757
    78.6 Basque_French
    19.8 Austrian
    1.6 Yoruba

    Target: Portuguese
    Distance: 3.5917% / 0.03591706
    74.6 Basque_French
    22.2 Austrian
    3.2 Yoruba

    Target: Spanish_Galicia
    Distance: 3.0087% / 0.03008742
    74.4 Basque_French
    22.8 Austrian
    2.8 Yoruba

    Target: Spanish_Andalucia
    Distance: 3.2352% / 0.03235194
    80.0 Basque_French
    17.2 Austrian
    2.8 Yoruba

    Target: Spanish_Alacant
    Distance: 3.0376% / 0.03037590
    76.6 Basque_French
    21.2 Austrian
    2.2 Yoruba
    Sir Ugochaves, you should model them with ancient populations and using the correct references. Yoruba appears in the Iberians precisely to compensate the absence of an African source (Taforalt).

    Quote Originally Posted by Hektor12 View Post
    Simple= Europid and Europo-Mongoloid phenotype. (Not as genetic lottery, only if its consistent with ancestry)
    Are you trying to include Turks in the white group?

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    For the New World a person +85% Euro...

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    Western Euroasian by ancestry.
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