Page 1 of 3 123 LastLast
Results 1 to 10 of 30

Thread: Is Belarusian a language?

  1. #1
    Banned
    Join Date
    Dec 2021
    Last Online
    04-20-2024 @ 08:18 PM
    Ethnicity
    Mutt
    Country
    India
    Gender
    Posts
    1,107
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 923
    Given: 1,475

    6 Not allowed!

    Default Is Belarusian a language?

    As I started to dilute other thead way too much why not to make another thread without replies?

    There are some memebers calling whole this language a dialect. I disagree and I think it's full language, even tho it's very close to Russian and is spoken by margin of people



    This video in here proves other way, as this "dialect" has it's own dialect which could be some kind of spectrum between south Russians(linguistically south), Ukrainians, Poles and Balts.

    The thing is this video is only in Belarusian, so I will try to note some details from what I will understand under OP post if there will be any people interested.

    Basically the video claim you can call out dialects of North-East and of South-West. The video also calls the transitional type in the central part between the two mentioned, and the south-western tip of Belarus aka West Polesia as it is more similar to Ukrainian

  2. #2
    Banned
    Join Date
    Sep 2023
    Last Online
    02-21-2024 @ 04:39 PM
    Meta-Ethnicity
    EHG + E̶E̶F̶
    Ethnicity
    Russian
    Country
    Russia
    Gender
    Posts
    2,229
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 1,095
    Given: 1,038

    0 Not allowed!

    Default

    It is a dialect of the Russian language. Artificially added Polish words. The structure of the Belarusian language is East Slavic.

  3. #3
    zlatokopka Alenka's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2012
    Last Online
    Today @ 05:06 AM
    Ethnicity
    half Persian, half Siamese
    Country
    Slovakia
    Taxonomy
    meow
    Gender
    Posts
    4,005
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 5,516
    Given: 4,502

    6 Not allowed!

    Default

    That doesn't really matter.
    Regardless if one considers it a language or a dialect, it doesn't imply anything, either way.

    For example, Basque is much more unique from Spanish than Belarusian is from Russian.
    Yet the collective West doesn't deem it deserving for the Basques to get independance.

    Hence, even if Belarusian is a language, it's doesn't mean Belarus deserves independence from Russia.
    Belarus exists just on a map, so Russia might as well annex it, if you ask me. Nothing would really change anyways.

    Except for the hypocritical West crying more of their crocodile tears, of course.
    But actually this judgement would be totally irrelevant.

    Because if they truly cared about sovereignity of the peoples, they would care in every case.
    Not pick and choose just when it's convenient for their interests.

  4. #4
    Banned
    Join Date
    Sep 2023
    Last Online
    02-21-2024 @ 04:39 PM
    Meta-Ethnicity
    EHG + E̶E̶F̶
    Ethnicity
    Russian
    Country
    Russia
    Gender
    Posts
    2,229
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 1,095
    Given: 1,038

    0 Not allowed!

    Default

    Russian dialects still exist within the Russian people - like the Pomeranian dialect of the Russian language and several dead dialects that existed recently. Also, the Old Russian language of central Russia was identical to the "old Ukrainian" language and they both differed from the northern Russian dialect of Novgorod. It seems that there are several peoples of different origins living inside the Russian people. Then the question. Are Ukrainians and Belarusians separate peoples? Western Russians are 100% identical to Belarusians. Southern Russians are identical to Ukrainians. What is our difference? Only that there are northern Russians?

  5. #5
    Member The_Strategist's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2023
    Last Online
    11-15-2023 @ 05:06 PM
    Ethnicity
    Croatian
    Country
    Croatia
    Region
    Zagreb
    Politics
    classical liberal
    Gender
    Posts
    143
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 92
    Given: 55

    2 Not allowed!

    Default

    If Bosnian is a language, Belarusian can be too

  6. #6
    Inactive
    Join Date
    Jan 2020
    Last Online
    03-07-2024 @ 11:15 PM
    Ethnicity
    Russian
    Country
    Russia
    Gender
    Posts
    3,253
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 4,731
    Given: 5,555

    2 Not allowed!

    Default

    It's hard to tell if it's a language or a dialect, but I understand about 35-40% of this verse. It seems to be quite pure Belarusian, and not the so-called “trasyanka”. I think that the border regions of Germany and the Netherlands understand each other better.

    Мы чакалі Калядаў з маленства
    І ніяк не маглі дачакацца
    Тату трэба было на работу
    Маці трэба было на працу

    А Гагарын ляцеў на ракеце
    Па-над нашым дваром ды садам
    Мы глядзелі усьлед са зьдзіўленьнем
    І міжволі чакалі Калядаў

    Мы ўвосень падпальвалі лісьце
    Мы ўзімку хварэлі на глянды
    І прыклаўшы далоні да вуснаў
    У цямрэчы чакалі Калядаў

    Мы пісалі ў школе дыктоўкі
    Нас вадзілі глядзець на парады
    Прафсаюз выдаваў карамэлькі
    Мы бралі і чакалі Калядаў

    Нам даводзілі, хто мы і што мы
    Нас вучылі выконваць загады
    Нам казалі, ды мы ня чулі
    Мы ўпотай чакалі Калядаў

    Мы рабілі высновы хутка
    Мы павольна сьпявалі баляды
    Мы назлосьць валасы расьцілі
    І ўпарта чакалі Калядаў

    Што з таго, што ўсё гэта зьнікла
    Быццам бурбалкі ад ліманаду
    Засталіся сям'я ды дзеткі
    Засталося чаканьне Калядаў

    Засталіся сябры ды праца
    А адзін, дык "вабшчэ" ў Канадзе
    Мы на сьвяты дашлем паштоўку
    Будзем разам чакаць Калядаў

    Позна ў вечары посуд памыем
    І пакінем, каб сохнуў на тацы
    Мы чакаем Калядаў з маленства
    І ня можам ніяк дачакацца.

  7. #7
    Banned
    Join Date
    Sep 2023
    Last Online
    02-21-2024 @ 04:39 PM
    Meta-Ethnicity
    EHG + E̶E̶F̶
    Ethnicity
    Russian
    Country
    Russia
    Gender
    Posts
    2,229
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 1,095
    Given: 1,038

    0 Not allowed!

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by KirillMazur View Post
    It's hard to tell if it's a language or a dialect, but I understand about 35-40% of this verse. It seems to be quite pure Belarusian, and not the so-called “trasyanka”. I think that the border regions of Germany and the Netherlands understand each other better.

    Мы чакалі Калядаў з маленства
    І ніяк не маглі дачакацца
    Тату трэба было на работу
    Маці трэба было на працу

    А Гагарын ляцеў на ракеце
    Па-над нашым дваром ды садам
    Мы глядзелі усьлед са зьдзіўленьнем
    І міжволі чакалі Калядаў

    Мы ўвосень падпальвалі лісьце
    Мы ўзімку хварэлі на глянды
    І прыклаўшы далоні да вуснаў
    У цямрэчы чакалі Калядаў

    Мы пісалі ў школе дыктоўкі
    Нас вадзілі глядзець на парады
    Прафсаюз выдаваў карамэлькі
    Мы бралі і чакалі Калядаў

    Нам даводзілі, хто мы і што мы
    Нас вучылі выконваць загады
    Нам казалі, ды мы ня чулі
    Мы ўпотай чакалі Калядаў

    Мы рабілі высновы хутка
    Мы павольна сьпявалі баляды
    Мы назлосьць валасы расьцілі
    І ўпарта чакалі Калядаў

    Што з таго, што ўсё гэта зьнікла
    Быццам бурбалкі ад ліманаду
    Засталіся сям'я ды дзеткі
    Засталося чаканьне Калядаў

    Засталіся сябры ды праца
    А адзін, дык "вабшчэ" ў Канадзе
    Мы на сьвяты дашлем паштоўку
    Будзем разам чакаць Калядаў

    Позна ў вечары посуд памыем
    І пакінем, каб сохнуў на тацы
    Мы чакаем Калядаў з маленства
    І ня можам ніяк дачакацца.
    I understand 50% of your Belarusian verse. But I don’t understand this Northern Russian dialect at all:




    ++++++++++++
    Матёра вода
    моря́ной гонима,
    Мокря́шшой зад
    мозгля́шша с има.
    Вздынуть бы чёлн,
    да наглохтилссе волн.

    ++++++++++++
    Ледяшша листобой
    Хра́млёт пого́дьё
    торкнулссе в арешник,
    в бакланец бо́дьёй.

    ++++++++++
    Медвёть
    ревёть,
    скалиссе,
    Могутно продиралиссе.
    Робяты крицят -
    Лешшой, лешшой
    принесло-то ево!
    Ка́ко мошник
    С под ног пахнул хитраво́.

    ++++++++++++
    Мороз осердилссе,
    секёт, не берегёт.
    Анде, больно!
    Анде, што жгёт!
    Так и воротилссе
    на лесну кулигу,
    со стыдом как с пирогом.

    ++++++++++++
    Купом прода́тли,
    знамо што до́рогли.
    В дошшь по реке-то шли
    с има торок, дак мо́рок лих.

    ++++++++++++
    На ножьи катанцы у веси
    в поте́мни-то шли кудесить.

    ++++++++++++
    Пора́то хле́бот был ску́сной
    да в печи забуксе́л
    Анде ви́ньгаться што с гладу
    пустоварны шти поел.

    ++++++++++++
    У, ляды, ляды!
    Ветр окольницу вышибил.
    Ох!
    Галызь выпружил в дом,
    Дресьву да мох.

    ++++++++++++
    Ты пошто тако наянова́то
    на ей галиссе-то дурень гля́тый?
    По рогам се дефку выбирам.
    По амбарам наскребам, не по дворам.

    ++++++++++++
    Лес нать на церькву рони́ть
    жарово́й, да зако́млистой,
    дак и дородно плесть нить,
    дак песком с листа.

    ++++++++++++
    За карбас хватайссе,
    да Богу конайссе.
    абы дроф не наломав
    будь пора́то сумлевав
    сугони́ смытьё суглаз
    не укото́шав нараз.

    ++++++++++++
    Роспета́ли нашу-то церькву,
    да в Архангельско-то свезли.
    Верети́я пуста, но паве́сть што
    там искре́ить свет от земли.

    https://www.chitalnya.ru/work/1109974/

  8. #8
    Inactive
    Join Date
    Jan 2020
    Last Online
    03-07-2024 @ 11:15 PM
    Ethnicity
    Russian
    Country
    Russia
    Gender
    Posts
    3,253
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 4,731
    Given: 5,555

    0 Not allowed!

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Vjatych View Post
    I understand 50% of your Belarusian verse. But I don’t understand this Northern Russian dialect at all
    More or less same level of understanding as my Belarusian verse, imo. Well, should we separate the Pomors into a separate republic?
    Or is the Arkhangelsk region enough?

  9. #9
    Banned
    Join Date
    Dec 2021
    Last Online
    04-20-2024 @ 08:18 PM
    Ethnicity
    Mutt
    Country
    India
    Gender
    Posts
    1,107
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 923
    Given: 1,475

    1 Not allowed!

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Alenka View Post
    That doesn't really matter.
    Regardless if one considers it a language or a dialect, it doesn't imply anything, either way.

    For example, Basque is much more unique from Spanish than Belarusian is from Russian.
    Yet the collective West doesn't deem it deserving for the Basques to get independance.

    Hence, even if Belarusian is a language, it's doesn't mean Belarus deserves independence from Russia.
    Belarus exists just on a map, so Russia might as well annex it, if you ask me. Nothing would really change anyways.

    Except for the hypocritical West crying more of their crocodile tears, of course.
    But actually this judgement would be totally irrelevant.

    Because if they truly cared about sovereignity of the peoples, they would care in every case.
    Not pick and choose just when it's convenient for their interests.
    It matters to me because I wanted to verify my views regarding this language. Some member here called out Belarusian as dialect, I wanted to check if he can be right, I found a video, I shared it and that's all. My question didn't go further than that, it was that simple

  10. #10
    Banned
    Join Date
    Dec 2021
    Last Online
    04-20-2024 @ 08:18 PM
    Ethnicity
    Mutt
    Country
    India
    Gender
    Posts
    1,107
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 923
    Given: 1,475

    0 Not allowed!

    Default

    Side note: my thread has nothing to do with independence or not, there are many independent countries using same language(which are dialects like Spanish in south and central America) and cases of own laguages with no own state(Indonesia or India have hundreds of languages in use), of course I don't mind peiple discussing it here but I write it to know it not my intention to start that aspect discussed in this thread

Page 1 of 3 123 LastLast

Thread Information

Users Browsing this Thread

There are currently 1 users browsing this thread. (0 members and 1 guests)

Similar Threads

  1. Replies: 68
    Last Post: 03-17-2024, 03:43 PM
  2. Replies: 1
    Last Post: 08-04-2023, 07:09 AM
  3. Replies: 5
    Last Post: 06-09-2023, 12:05 AM
  4. Replies: 13
    Last Post: 10-15-2018, 08:57 PM
  5. Replies: 37
    Last Post: 05-12-2014, 06:09 PM

Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •