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    Default Ancestry 2.0 -- a modern calc idea to try

    I had an idea and thought to share in case you'd like to try it also.

    Method: Choose as SOURCE only the ethnicities or specified regions from your commercial DNA results: Ancestry.com & 23andMe primarily on the calculator below, for example, but obviously you can use normal G25 samples or other calcs, scaled or unscaled, etc, but I used this test as an experiment and it shows some solid results.

    My results below are from the following calc which I suggest you try-- just eliminate all groups you do not show on commercial results: https://www.exploreyourdna.com/calcu...el-marques.htm

    Note: I included all "East Europe" samples because I was given that general category by 23andMe.


    My results:

    Target: Brad.Davidski.AncestryDNA.Official.G25
    Distance: 1.4337% / 0.01433685

    34.4 British_Islanders:Scottish_Argyll_and_Bute
    28.8 British_Islanders:Irish
    11.2 East_Europe:Moldovan_o2
    8.2 North_West_Europe:Breton_Cotes-d'Armor
    5.4 East_Europe:Russian_Arkhangelsk_Leshukonsky
    4.2 Spain:Spanish_Murcia_(Murcian)
    3.2 East_Europe:Ukrainian_Kropyvnytskyi
    2.4 Finland:Finnish_North
    2.2 East_Europe:Russian_Lipetsk

    Target: Brad.Davidski.AncestryDNA.Official.G25
    Distance: 1.4410% / 0.01440999 | ADC: 0.25x RC


    29.6 British_Islanders:Irish
    29.0 British_Islanders:Scottish_Argyll_and_Bute
    16.8 North_West_Europe:Breton_Cotes-d'Armor
    13.6 East_Europe:Moldovan_o2
    6.4 East_Europe:Russian_Arkhangelsk_Leshukonsky
    4.6 East_Europe:Russian_Lipetsk

    summary:

    Irish 29.6%
    Scottish 29%
    Breton_Cotes-d'Armor 16.8%
    Moldovan 13.6%
    Russian 11%


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    Using Modern Scaled G25 with only my known results:

    Target: Brad.Davidski.AncestryDNA.Official.G25
    Distance: 0.5575% / 0.00557484
    52.2 Irish
    12.8 French_Seine-Maritime
    12.2 Moldovan_o
    12.0 Swedish
    4.0 French_Auvergne
    3.6 Russian_Leshukonsky
    3.0 French_Provence
    0.2 Ashkenazi_Russia

    Target: Brad.Davidski.AncestryDNA.Official.G25
    Distance: 0.6242% / 0.00624174 | ADC: 0.25x RC
    45.0 Irish
    13.8 Swedish
    13.6 Moldovan_o
    10.8 Scottish
    8.4 Norwegian
    5.6 French_Seine-Maritime
    2.8 Moldovan


    Target: Brad.Davidski.AncestryDNA.Official.G25
    Distance: 0.7901% / 0.00790112 | ADC: 0.5x RC
    35.6 Irish
    24.8 Scottish
    20.8 Swedish
    13.8 Moldovan_o
    5.0 French_Brittany

    Target: Brad.Davidski.AncestryDNA.Official.G25
    Distance: 1.1006% / 0.01100628 | ADC: 1x RC
    52.6 Swedish
    35.4 Scottish
    12.0 Irish

    Target: Brad.Davidski.AncestryDNA.Official.G25
    Distance: 1.2141% / 0.01214079 | ADC: 2x RC
    63.0 Swedish
    37.0 Scottish

    -------------------------------------------------------
    I get these with UNSCALED MODERN G25:

    Target: ScandinavianCelt_UNscaled
    Distance: 0.2250% / 0.00225042

    55.6 Irish
    21.8 Swedish
    5.0 Spanish_Canarias
    4.6 English
    4.0 Russian_Pinezhsky
    2.8 Danish
    1.4 Moldovan
    1.4 Moldovan_o
    1.4 Russian_Leshukonsky
    1.0 Ashkenazi_Ukraine
    1.0 Finnish_East

    Target: ScandinavianCelt_UNscaled
    Distance: 0.2569% / 0.00256874 | ADC: 0.25x RC

    53.6 Irish
    16.2 Swedish
    14.8 Danish
    6.2 English
    3.8 Ashkenazi_Ukraine
    2.8 Russian_Pinezhsky
    2.6 Moldovan_o



    Target: ScandinavianCelt_UNscaled
    Distance: 0.5518% / 0.00551811 | ADC: 2x RC

    51.4 Irish
    31.2 Danish
    17.4 Swedish

    ------------------------------------------------------------
    UNscaled Mod Pop Ave G25:


    Target: ScandinavianCelt_UNscaled
    Distance: 0.8997% / 0.00899694 | ADC: 0.25x RC

    27.2 Norwegian
    26.4 French_Brittany
    26.2 Icelandic
    13.0 Finnish_Southeast
    7.2 Ukrainian_Zhytomyr_o




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    Target: Boudin
    Distance: 2.3608% / 0.02360847
    26.6 North_West_Europe:French_Oïl_Bourgogne-Franche-Comte_Cote-d'Or
    24.8 North_West_Europe:French_Arpitan_Auvergne-Rhone-Alpes_Savoie
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    8.4 Finland:Finnish_Southeast
    5.0 Spain:Spanish_Castile_and_Leon_Soria_(Castilian)

    Distance to: Boudin
    0.02930743 North_West_Europe:French_Oïl_Grand_Est_Marne
    0.03002943 North_West_Europe:French_Oïl_Bourgogne-Franche-Comte_Cote-d'Or
    0.03168339 North_West_Europe:French_Arpitan_Auvergne-Rhone-Alpes_Savoie
    0.03301356 North_West_Europe:Swiss_French
    0.03308401 Basque_&_SW_France:French_Occitan_Occitanie_Aveyron
    0.03373142 North_West_Europe:French_Oïl_Pays_de_la_Loire_Sart he
    0.03446503 North_West_Europe:French_Oïl_Bourgogne-Franche-Comte_Saone-et-Loire
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    0.03535648 North_West_Europe:French_Oïl_Bourgogne-Franche-Comte_Nievre
    0.03596350 North_West_Europe:French_Arpitan_Auvergne-Rhone-Alpes_Loire
    0.03600370 North_West_Europe:French_Oïl_Nouvelle-Aquitaine_Charente-Maritime
    0.03602293 North_West_Europe:French_Occitan_Auvergne-Rhone-Alpes_Haute-Loire
    0.03633141 North_West_Europe:French_Oïl_Ile-de-France_Paris
    0.03644720 North_West_Europe:French_Oïl_Grand_Est_Moselle
    0.03705407 Basque_&_SW_France:French_Occitan_Nouvelle-Aquitaine_Correze
    0.03751404 North_West_Europe:French_Occitan_Auvergne-Rhone-Alpes_Puy-de-Dome
    0.03820235 North_West_Europe:French_Oïl_Hauts-de-France_Nord
    0.03866736 Basque_&_SW_France:French_Occitan_Occitanie_Haute_Garonne
    0.03869792 North_West_Europe:Breton_Ille-et-Vilaine
    0.03874740 North_West_Europe:Belgian_(Walloon_Profile)
    0.03910214 North_West_Europe:Breton_Loire-Atlantique
    0.03914884 South_France:French_Occitan_Provence-Alpes-Cote_d'Azur_o
    0.03955376 North_West_Europe:French_Oïl_Hauts-de-France_Pas-de-Calais
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    Target: Viktor
    Distance: 0.3583% / 0.00358262
    29.8 Balkans
    29.2 East_Europe
    25.6 South_East_Europe
    8.6 Sardinian
    4.6 Baltic
    2.2 East_Anatolia_&_South_Caucasus
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    Target: Viktor
    Distance: 0.3582% / 0.00358194
    27.8 East_Europe:Russian_Smolensk
    14.2 Balkans:Croat_Dalmatia
    11.0 Balkans:Croat_Bosnia
    10.8 South_East_Europe:Greek_Peloponnese_Messinia_Messi ni
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    2.6 Balkans:Serb_Croatia
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    1.6 South_East_Europe:Albanian
    1.4 Balkans:Bosniak
    1.4 East_Europe:Ukrainian_Poltava
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    Try Ancestry only results with same resultant populations you received from them, but use G25 MODERN SCALED POP AVERAGES for those groups.

    When I select the same 8 groups from Ancestry.com which I got, I get very different results. How about you guys?

    Ancestry:

    Target: Brad.Davidski.AncestryDNA.Official.G25
    Distance: 1.5753% / 0.01575278

    43.2 Irish
    40.0 French_Seine-Maritime
    16.8 Finnish_North

    With 23andMe groups:

    Target: Brad.Davidski.AncestryDNA.Official.G25
    Distance: 1.5316% / 0.01531627

    47.4 Irish
    32.6 French_Seine-Maritime
    12.6 Finnish_North
    3.0 Finnish_Southwest
    1.4 Shetlandic
    1.4 Ashkenazi_Ukraine
    0.8 Greenlander_East
    0.8 Romaniote_Jew

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    Distance to: Vessna_scaled
    0.01825684 East_Europe:Belarusian
    0.01946417 Baltic:Lithuanian_South_Aukstaitija
    0.01947623 East_Europe:Russian_Voronez
    0.01977216 East_Europe:Ukrainian_Chernihiv
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    0.02334953 East_Europe:Russian_Tver
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    0.02459186 East_Europe:Ukrainian_Donetsk
    0.02480124 Baltic:Lithuanian_East_Aukstaitija
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    0.02582948 East_Europe:Cossack_Ukrainian_Zaporizhzhia
    0.02654084 East_Europeolish
    0.02657867 East_Europe:Ukrainian_Kiev
    0.02663577 East_Europe:Moldovan_o1

    Target: Vessna_scaled
    Distance: 1.3578% / 0.01357799
    54.4 East_Europe
    45.6 Baltic

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    Distance: 0.02056532

    47.0 Baltic:Lithuanian_East_Aukstaitija
    20.4 East_Med:Greek_North_Aegean_Fourni-Ikaria
    11.8 Basque_&_SW_France:French_Occitan_Occitanie_Aveyron
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    Target: rothaer_scaled
    Distance: 0.7954% / 0.00795447
    51.4 North_West_Europe
    25.6 Baltic
    10.2 Finland
    5.4 East_Europe
    3.8 Basque_&_SW_France
    3.0 North_&_Central_Italy
    0.4 Arabian_Peninsula
    0.2 South_France

    Distance to: rothaer_scaled
    0.02060611 Germanic_europe:German_Hamburg
    0.02192266 East_Europe:Czech
    0.02289621 Scandinavian:Swedish

    0.02344750 Germanic_europe:German_Saxony_Leipzig
    0.02781099 Germanic_europe:German
    0.02885888 Scandinavian:Danish
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    0.03188177 Scandinavian:Norwegian
    0.03193155 Balkans:Croat_Kajkavian
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    0.03245670 Germanic_europe:Austrian
    0.03259104 North_West_Europe:French_Oïl_Hauts-de-France_Nord_o2_(Central_European_Profile)
    0.03278472 East_Europe:Polish
    0.03312894 Scandinavian:Norwegian_Bergen
    0.03344429 Germanic_europe:Dutch
    0.03403508 Balkans:Slovene
    0.03411774 Scandinavian:Icelandic
    0.03495968 East_Europe:Ukrainian_Lviv
    0.03517986 East_Europe:Ukrainian_Zakarpattia
    0.03661023 Balkans:Croat
    0.03708162 North_West_Europe:French_Oïl_Normandy_Seine-Maritime

    Target: rothaer_wife2_scaled
    Distance: 1.5634% / 0.01563448
    46.8 Scandinavian
    18.6 Baltic
    17.2 Germanic_europe
    16.8 North_West_Europe
    0.4 East_Anatolia_&_South_Caucasus
    0.2 East_Europe

    Distance to: rothaer_wife2_scaled
    0.01802154 Scandinavian:Swedish
    0.02498380 Scandinavian:Danish
    0.02564694 Scandinavian:Norwegian

    0.02600368 Germanic_europe:German_Hamburg
    0.02814560 Scandinavian:Norwegian_Bergen
    0.02905679 Scandinavian:Icelandic
    0.03298704 Germanic_europe:Dutch
    0.03413710 Germanic_europe:German_Saxony_Leipzig
    0.03467897 British_Islanders:Orcadian
    0.03491737 East_Europe:Czech
    0.03543480 Germanic_europe:German
    0.03613211 British_Islanders:Scottish
    0.03746134 North_West_Europe:French_Oïl_Hauts-de-France_Nord_o2_(Central_European_Profile)
    0.03746428 British_Islanders:English
    0.03815168 British_Islanders:Welsh
    0.03825654 British_Islanders:Irish
    0.03874736 Germanic_europe:German_Bavaria_Erlangen
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    0.03981504 North_West_Europe:Breton_Finistere
    0.03999420 North_West_Europe:Belgian_(Flemish_Profile)
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    0.04121873 East_Europe:Polish_Wielkopolska
    0.04220717 Balkans:Croat_Kajkavian
    0.04306288 East_Europe:Polish
    Target: rothaer_scaled
    Distance: 1.0091% / 0.01009085

    39.8 (Balto-)Slavic
    39.0 Germanic
    19.2 Celtic-like
    1.8 Graeco-Roman
    0.2 Finnic-like

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    My results on 23andMe were 99.7% Spanish&Portuguese+0.3% peninsular Arab trace ancestry.

    So I selected these references:

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    Target: gixajo_scaled
    Distance: 1.4258% / 0.01425835

    100.0 Spain

    Target: gixajo_scaled
    Distance: 1.4258% / 0.01425835

    50.0 Spain:Spanish_Aragon_North_(Aragonese)
    19.2 Spain:Spanish_Castile_and_Leon_(Castilian)
    13.6 Spain:Spanish_Catalonia_Terres_de_l'Ebre_(Catalan)
    7.4 Spain:Spanish_Baleares_Menorca_(Catalan)
    7.4 Spain:Spanish_Extremadura_(Extremaduran)
    2.4 Spain:Spanish_Baleares_Mallorca_(Catalan)

    If I use Basque references as "Iberian" result changes:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vessna View Post
    Distance to: Vessna_scaled
    0.01825684 East_Europe:Belarusian
    0.01946417 Baltic:Lithuanian_South_Aukstaitija
    0.01947623 East_Europe:Russian_Voronez
    0.01977216 East_Europe:Ukrainian_Chernihiv
    0.02016628 East_Europe:Ukrainian_Zhytomyr
    0.02024162 East_Europe:Russian_Kaluga
    0.02061361 East_Europe:Ukrainian_Rivne
    0.02061735 East_Europe:Russian_Kursk
    0.02061990 Baltic:Lithuanian_West_Aukstaitija
    0.02074601 East_Europe:Ukrainian_Dnipro
    0.02103279 East_Europe:Russian_Oryol
    0.02133220 East_Europe:Ukrainian_Sumy
    0.02160441 East_Europe:Russian_Smolensk
    0.02270671 East_Europe:Russian_Belgorod
    0.02281053 East_Europe:Russian_Pskov
    0.02290531 East_Europe:Ukrainian
    0.02334953 East_Europe:Russian_Tver
    0.02400586 East_Europe:Russian_Ryazan
    0.02459186 East_Europe:Ukrainian_Donetsk
    0.02480124 Baltic:Lithuanian_East_Aukstaitija
    0.02482578 East_Europe:Ukrainian_Poltava
    0.02582948 East_Europe:Cossack_Ukrainian_Zaporizhzhia
    0.02654084 East_Europeolish
    0.02657867 East_Europe:Ukrainian_Kiev
    0.02663577 East_Europe:Moldovan_o1

    Target: Vessna_scaled
    Distance: 1.3578% / 0.01357799
    54.4 East_Europe
    45.6 Baltic

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    Target: Katarzyna_AncestryDNA(real)
    Distance: 0.8497% / 0.00849687
    64.6 Baltic
    8.4 Balkans
    7.6 Germanic_europe
    5.4 East_Europe
    5.0 Scandinavian
    4.8 South_France
    2.0 North_&_Central_Italy
    1.8 North_West_Europe
    0.4 North_Africa

    Wow! Slav results <3

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