The Universal Christ

[Aila]

Anyone in this thread go to church every Sunday?

Every day.
I know it is a cliché, but my ‘Church’ is still the Forest.

[Aila]

You actually do have personal experiences.

Why did monks become monks..... mainly because at their young age while on prayer Jesus came into their dreams. From there it was life-mission longing of being closer to God because nothing else is valid.

In this Orthodox video:


From 55:00 –
I love the Fr. Nilos Nellis speech and his presence.
56:20 > “In your spiritual life, there is this indispensable stage of the theory of f_____ * (something) What?

I am assuming the first hermit (Greek) monks that came to the wilderness were into this, hence we found the unspoken sense of “One Spirit” in that.

[Aila]

Dreams …. Well, my 2 cents ….

I vision, that we start our spiritual life seeking something Greater than ourselves (our ego identities).
From there it develops into a relationship when ‘Grace’ enters into the picture.
Grace then also develops into something more definite - a flow of continuity - when our willingness and Grace begin to merge. A presence of Grace that gives us guidance, realizations and the more willing we are to live up to the realizations Grace gives us – our spiritual living-happening life unfolds.
As long as we stay ‘attuned’ – I vision that we are ‘protected’ and dreams can also become part of that guidance.

BUT.
Who or what do we imagine to become saved?

I see 2 ways.
One is to validate, fortify ourselves with the or our “righteousness”
The other is emptying ourselves of ourselves and becoming what Amerinds call “the hollow bone” (so to speak).

[catgeorge]

In this Orthodox video:


From 55:00 –
I love the Fr. Nilos Nellis speech and his presence.
56:20 > “In your spiritual life, there is this indispensable stage of the theory of f_____ * (something) What?

I am assuming the first hermit (Greek) monks that came to the wilderness were into this, hence we found the unspoken sense of “One Spirit” in that.

There is nothing more important than Gods creation. Not only the forrest as Greece has plenty of natural wonders but also animals.



What we do not accept is ill discipline rubbish.

[Loki]

Dreams …. Well, my 2 cents ….

I vision, that we start our spiritual life seeking something Greater than ourselves (our ego identities).
From there it develops into a relationship when ‘Grace’ enters into the picture.
Grace then also develops into something more definite - a flow of continuity - when our willingness and Grace begin to merge. A presence of Grace that gives us guidance, realizations and the more willing we are to live up to the realizations Grace gives us – our spiritual living-happening life unfolds.
As long as we stay ‘attuned’ – I vision that we are ‘protected’ and dreams can also become part of that guidance.

BUT.
Who or what do we imagine to become saved?

I see 2 ways.
One is to validate, fortify ourselves with the or our “righteousness”
The other is emptying ourselves of ourselves and becoming what Amerinds call “the hollow bone” (so to speak).

So basically you're creating your own "gospel". That's not how it works, unfortunately. God has given us his blueprint, his narrow path that leads to Life. All our own efforts will fail, if we reject to go on God's ordained path to Life. That path is through Jesus Christ alone.

[HectorOfTroy]

Trying to "empty" yourself and "Validating" yourself all fall under works based salvation, something you do that you think will make God forgive you/you atone for your sins. Btw believing and accepting Christ's atonement for you is not a work, God has already forgiven you/atoned for your sins, the question is will you receive it?

[Aila]

Trying to "empty" yourself and "Validating" yourself all fall under works based salvation, something you do that you think will make God forgive you/you atone for your sins.

?
You've totally lost me …
How do you imagine receiving anything with a cup upside down?
An empty cup points to openness, receptivity and surrender ….
In practice ...

[Loki]

?
You've totally lost me …
How do you imagine receiving anything with a cup upside down?
An empty cup points to openness, receptivity and surrender ….
In practice ...

Surrender to what? Anything that wants to come in? What does work, is if you surrender to Jesus Christ. But you don't want to do that, do you?

[Aila]

Surrender to what? Anything that wants to come in? What does work, is if you surrender to Jesus Christ. But you don't want to do that, do you?

Long story Loki, loooong story. And I was referring to Grace.

Do you Loki and HectorOfTroy believe in or in other words belong to the “Once Saved – Always Saved” camp?
You don’t think that when Catholics deny it, they do not have a point?
Or do you think Catholics were deceived by Satan and Satan is now trying to put doubt in your mind?

[Loki]

Do you Loki and HectorOfTroy believe in or in other words belong to the “Once Saved – Always Saved” camp?
You don’t think that when Catholics deny it, they do not have a point?

No, I don't. Jesus said we must carry the fruit that comes with repentance. He also said we must endure till the end (Book of Revelation). We should keep the faith and live lives of obedience to Christ. Being saved gives you a lot of freedom, but God won't tolerate those who mock his gift of grace.