What If Germanics and Slavs migrated to Latin America Instead of Iberian?

[Laredo]

What would the colonization of Latin America would be instead of Iberians? Would mixed marriages happened etc. Would people In Mexico be speaking a Germanic dialect today?

[reboun]

They would probably speak a kind of German or English dialect. Or maybe Russian?

[Laredo]

They would probably speak a kind of German or English dialect. Or maybe Russian?

I get a strong feeling If somehow In a parallel universe /dimension If Mexico was a German colony perhaps the Nazis would've won In WW2 due to its proximity to the United States tanks missiles pointing towards the U.S etc.

[Etelfrido]

Look at the British West Indies, the Dutch Caribbean, Guyana and Suriname. As colonies of exploitation, the region would probably still be underdeveloped but Latin America would likely speak Germanic languages, but there are exceptions like Indonesia.

Regarding the Dutch, its administration of Dutch Brazil wasn't a consensus even among them, see Michiel van Groesen's The Legacy of Dutch Brazil:

In October 1630, in the wake of the Dutch seizure of Olinda and Recifefrom the Portuguese, the board of the West India Company decided, with the approval of the States General, on a limited and provisional release of its monopoly. To attract immigration and to boost the local economy, it decided to open the trade on the coasts of Brazil to "all inhabitants of the United Provinces [ ... ] together with all Portuguese, Brazilian, and other inhabitants of Brazil," provided the traders paid taxes and dues to the West India Company and used only Company ships for their trade.3 When the edict was renewed four years later, with substantially reduced freight rates, many independent merchants started to engage in Dutch Brazil's colonial market. Yet before long, the private profits they made evoked disapproval among some shareholders ofthe West India Company who wanted to see the Company's monopoly reinstated in its entirety. Asone pamphleteer argued in 1636, all Dutch power and prosperity were based on the "weak and changeable foundation" of trade, and only a strong Company that simultaneously pursued "conquests and commerce"could "make the foundation of our State stronger." Invoking the example of Rome's struggle against Carthage, the pamphleteer claimed that the Dutch could outdo its rival Spain by moving the war to the colonial arena, thereby forcing other nations to "seek their commerce more and more in our quarters." Moreover, the Dutch should ensure that "the poor wild Cannibals, Man-eaters, would be brought to the knowledge of the true Faith, and not by our enemies to the damned Idolatry of the Papacy." Those who supported the opening up of Brazil's trade, he argued, would only frustrate this civilizing mission of commerce and conquest. Weakened by "opulence and luxury," they forsook the primecreed of republican politics- the principle that the common good should always prevail over private interests. 4

This argument against the participation of the independent merchantsin the Brazil trade was backed by several shareholders of the West India Company, for example in Utrecht, who argued that the release of its monopoly left the Company only with the costs of the war while the freetraders were able to make "excessively large gains." 5 In line with these complaints, the States General eventually decided at the end of December 1636 to reinstate the original monopoly of the West India Company, and they forcefully reiterated this resolution in March and April the following year.

The rulings of the States General met with great criticism among those who favored the status quo, in particular private merchants and shareholders in Amsterdam. To a large extent, the debate over the monopoly of the West India Company confirmed or even deepened the existing ideological rift between the two seaborne provinces" of Zeeland and Holland. 6 As a true frontier province, Zeeland generally favored fervent anti-Spanish policies, and accordingly it supported a strong, militant West India Company to fight the Habsburg monarchy throughout the Atlantic, combining conquest with commerce. Yet the province of Holland, dominated by its largest city, Amsterdam, advocated a more lenient attitude, categorically championing commercial expansion over the costly uncertainties of war. Free trade in Brazil was considered to be paramount for such expansion. To make their case in the public debate, Amsterdam merchants claimed that freedom of trade entailed the best means to promote Dutch colonization. Dutch Brazil was in need of immigrants willing to cultivate the land, they argued, but these new colonists could be attracted only if they were offered comprehensive commercial liberties. Without "free men,"one pamphleteer argued, conquered "lands cannot be cultivated," and without cultivation the whole Dutch colonial enterprise in Brazil would eventually fail.7 Claims such as these were in turn countered by advocatesof the Company's monopoly, who, according to the account of Caspar Barlaeus, argued that such colonies of free men would easily develop into degenerate communities that might try to outdo the motherland, just as Tyre was once outshone by its colony in Carthage. 8

One thing we can assert is that it'd had been more religiously tolerant, proof of that was the establishment of the first synagogue in the Americas.

Dutch Brazil is often regarded as an incongruity by historians of both the Atlantic world and Latin America. As a geographical and political entity, the colony existed only between 1624 (some would say 1630) and 1654, but the implications of this bold northern European infiltration into the Iberian sphere of influence were nevertheless profound: The establishment of Dutch Brazil undermined the notion of Habsburg supremacy in Latin America and worsened Luso-Spanish relations at home. It brought a hitherto unimaginable form of religious tolerance to the Atlantic and created a multicultural society in which Protestant soldiers, Catholic planters, African slaves, and Sephardic Jews all lived alongside the country’s various native groups

A lack of proselytism could result in a more pronounced racial divide similar to the Apartheid:

Outside the realms of Dutch, Portuguese, and Brazilian historiography, Dutch Brazil is perhaps best known for its religious tolerance. As Evan Haefeli reminds us in Chapter 6, the Calvinist authorities were compelled to extend religious tolerance beyond Christianity to include openly professed Judaism, as well as various African beliefs. Many scholars have written enthusiastically about the unrivaled religious liberties in Dutch Brazil, but evaluating the legacy of tolerance in a broader Atlantic context has been hampered by attempts to search for theoretical legitimations of tolerant attitudes. Haefeli proposes to look at the particulars of what was possible and what was done in Recife, focusing on non-Christian groups in the Atlantic world that so far have been described almost exclusively in terms of their potential as converts to Christianity. In Brazil, the missionary ideals of Reformed theologians and servants of the public church were rarely put into practice. Ministers even refused requests to baptize slaves because the Africans were perceived as striving for freedom rather than for Christian virtues. This remarkable reluctanceto convert enslaved Africans, as well as Jews, to Christianity was unheard of in the Atlantic world. Although these inadvertent practices of religious tolerance in Dutch Brazil were not copied elsewhere, its particular format enabled the Sephardim to prepare for a more lasting Jewish Atlantic and allowed Protestant slave owners to oppose conversion and insist on the religious divide as an essential marker between the free and the slave.

Had the Portuguese failed to oust the Dutch from Brazil, the importance the Dutch would give to New Netherland could have been much smaller...

The Histoire des deux lndes, the famous survey of European colonialism published in various versions throughout the 1770s and the 178os bythe abbe Guillaume-Thomas Raynal, contains a remarkable passage onthe history of Dutch Brazil. Having narrated the rise, decline, and fall of Dutch rule in Brazil, Raynal concludes that the Dutch had to part with a conquest that might have become the richest of all the European colonies, and would have given the republic a degree of importance it could never acquire from its own territory.

... and things could have been different at least regarding its Jewish history.

American Jewish history as we know it began in 1654. In that year, twenty-three Jews - men, women and children, refugees from Recife, Brazil which Portugal had just recaptured from Holland - sailed into the Dutch colony of New Amsterdam on a vessel probably named the Sainte Catherine.

[gixajo]

I'm sure of one thing, that you wouldn't exist.

[Laredo]

I'm sure of one thing, that you wouldn't exist.

Agree, reminds me of this growing up within mexicans it's common to hear saying I'm glad the Spanish came otherwise we wouldn't exist but at the same time they be saying to bad England didn't colonized us lol.

[gixajo]

I mean to you as an individual, for obvious reasons, you partially descend from Spaniards.

Maybe Slavs and Germans would not have acted like the Anglos did in North America, the Slavs could well have mixed like we did, and as for the Germans, perhaps they would have maintained two well-differentiated classes, one subjugated and another made up of near 100% German "Criollos", barely mixing but without necessarily eliminating them, the indigenous population.

The Germans are practical and productive, why eliminate a submissive and cheap workforce? "Let them work for us, but let us not stain our lineage by mixing with them."

And about the Slavs as I have already said .I wouldn't be surprised if they had ended up creating a "mestizo" society like we did, mixing with the indigenous.

[Tradra]

There has been some German influence on Mexico, there's a reason why Narco Corridos kinda sound like Bayern music.

[Katarzyna]

I’m curious how the metizos would look like in that case because probably some med phenotype + Native American looks different than a Northern European which would be the case if Germanics and Slavs immigrated

Well there is only one way to find out, let’s send some of our single Northern European men to South America and get a native girl. Let’s see what comes out

[Laredo]

I’m curious how the metizos would look like in that case because probably some med phenotype + Native American looks different than a Northern European which would be the case if Germanics and Slavs immigrated

Well there is only one way to find out, let’s send some of our single Northern European men to South America and get a native girl. Let’s see what comes out

Mestizos can have a lot varieties there no such thing as a uniform look. But I think Germanic contribution would be cool more blue or green eyes contribution. Even among afram mulattos blue eyes are not rare among them.