What Do Russians Think About Stalin?

[Rumata]

They very much cared about the MENA lives of Adygheas like you.

We aren't in MENA, Durkey is. Go back to geography lessons instead of asking for shitstorms on web forums.

[thatoneton]

This part is already indeed ridiculous. Poland and Lithuania have sovereignty because of Poland bravely throwing down communism? that very Poland whose elites "had been destroyed by communists"? What? stop your illusions. Poland went the way of capitalism because of the processes inside USSR. That's the truth for you.

Exactly my friend, here read and educate yourself:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Solidarity

Solidarność was what led to the fall of communism in Poland. Obviously, the USSR was weakened by its war in Afganistan, so it didn't invade Poland to stop the changes, and meanwhile (between the 1980 when Solidarność was founded and 1989 when there were the free elections in Poland) the Soviet Union itself started to shake in its foundations, and later by the 1991 when communism fell in all the members of the Warsaw Pact except the USSR it was the last one to get rid of the communism.

I'm sure you can't properly prove what you bubble about share of perished elites in Russia.

Of course I'm not even gonna try, because of how hard it is to define who belongs to the elite and the fact Soviet archives are still not fully available to historians, with many data uncertain or lacking.

Anyway, there's little doubt the old elites were replaced by the new ones.

I don't know if you can prove the Katyn case too. Nor that I were up to dig in those things either.

Prove Katyń? And it's supposedly me who - according to you - lives in a bubble. My man, Katyń massacre is so well documented it doesn't need any more proof.

[Victor]

Смешно читать всех этих зарубежных поучающих с превосходной позиции персонажей. У всех у самих рыльце в пушку, вечные жертвы. В своё время нужно было больше пороть и вешать, и это я еще о времени до революции.

А так, что мне не нравится в нашей ментальности, что вместо позиции силы и "потому что так надо было" мы в подобных разговорах начинаем искать какое-то оправдание тому и сему, что как раз свойственнее слабой стороне типа них.

Сталин-Кралин, какая разница чем он был для них? Мне абсолютно пофиг.

[dviz]

We aren't in MENA, Durkey is. Go back to geography lessons instead of asking for shitstorms on web forums.

remind Russians that Stalin killed more of them than the Nazis and watch Russian's head pop

[dviz]

Смешно читать всех этих зарубежных поучающих с превосходной позиции персонажей. У всех у самих рыльце в пушку, вечные жертвы. В своё время нужно было больше пороть и вешать, и это я еще о времени до революции.

I agree that we Romanians have our share of guilt in pogroms against other people, though Russians did it on another scale.

And let's be clear here, Antonescu was a patriot, and also a bloody murderer, therefore a piece of shit who got what he deserved. I would have liked to hear the same statement from Russians about Stalin, but all I heard was crickets.

[Rumata]

I have no idea how one can find any logic in what you wrote.

The Ribbentrop-Molotov pact didn't stop France and the UK from helping Poland, it let Germany feel confident enough, because it now had the Soviet backing, to risk fighting a war on two fronts, if France and the UK kept their promises to Poland.

German army didn't destroy the Polish Army by 17th September, seeing how Poland still was fighting at the time. The reason why the Soviets attacked at this exact date was that USSR was initially unsure of how France and UK will react and the fact that the USSR didn't sign a ceasfire with Japan until the 16th September.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet...rder_conflicts

Well, thinking before writing something always helps.

Was Sweden at war with Germany after WW1? No? Something similar to a full scale war, like this one?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish%E2%80%93Soviet_War
No?

Was Germany sending armed groups to Poland to sow discord, like the USSR did?
https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sowiec...1%E2%80%931925
(you can switch the article to Russian, though the Russian article seems to focus on all the acts of the Soviet activities, not only on Poland)

Once again, no?

Was Germany actively cooperating with Sweden's enemies, like USSR did with Germany after Rapallo to let Germany circumvent the Versailles sanctions? No?


So obviously it's a different situation, and Sweden only let Germany transfer around 1 division through its territory and only once anyway.

So you see that the Ribbentrop-Molotov pact didn't stop France and the UK from helping Poland. Now do you dare to assume the real reason why Poland's only allies turned out fake ones?

[Victor]

I agree that we Romanians have our share of guilt in pogroms against other people, though Russians did it on another scale.

And let's be clear here, Antonescu was a patriot, and also a bloody murder, therefore a piece of shit who got what he deserved. I would have liked to hear the same statement from Russians about Stalin, but all I heard was crickets.

From me you can hear it but I don't like to repent for something which was bigger problem for us to the foreigners

[Rumata]

remind Russians that Stalin killed more of them than the Nazis and watch Russian's head pop

Is your mission to make people want to kill forum spammers?

[dviz]

From me you can hear it but I don't like to repent for something which was bigger problem for us to the foreigners

You are the most sane Russian around I agree with a lot of what you say.

[Peterski]

remind Russians that Stalin killed more of them than the Nazis and watch Russian's head pop

But it is not true. Clearly the Nazis killed more Russians than Stalin did. How many Russians did Stalin kill in your opinion?