Hungary's Orbán blackmailed the EU - and it worked.

[CosmoLady]

You'd be shocked by Budapest, and Hungary is very Budapest-centric (it's visible it was a Imperial capital of much larger country). City is filled with corruption, decadence and immorality. It is main destination for western European stag parties with include tons of alcohol and hedonism. Along with Prague it is centre of European porn industry, hence it's nickname "Budasex". City is like a decayed Paris, with dangerous hoods in some parts, filled with Gypsies, half breeds and all kinds of lumpen. Budapest has biggest homeless problem in central Europe ever since Gyurcsany closed down many madhouses and threw them on the streets. They sleep on metro stations and are often intoxicated or half-dead. It is a depraved sight. Sex is everywhere, tons of nightclubs, brothels, perversions of every kind, nightlife and decadence of that city are legendary. It reminds of Weimar Era Berlin and Berlin party addicts are massively migrating to Budapest now. There is entertainment available of every kind, and city has a vibe of dark, magnificent metropolis that is in decay but bustling with immorality and lifestyles of all kinds.

Don't get me wrong, city is very safe for western standards. Some parts of it are total shitholes though. City is so large thus much of it's once ultra luxurious and imperial Austro-Hungarian architecture is rotting down because to keep city of such size perfect everywhere requires lot of money.

Hungarian Police is violent and vicious, good old east block school and you don't wanna mess with them. First time in my life when I saw Police patroling the streets with long weapons was in Budapest. I saw them beating up and harassing homeless who weighed 50kg. During bloody carnage of 2006 riots, my ex was viciously beaten and later arrested by Hungarian Police who broke his nose. City is overall edgy and violent, and politically heavily left leaning. Budapesters are typical decadent cosmopolitans on average. These facts don't prevent ocassional gatherings of real nazis and their gangs, including biker gangs who are unlike in rest of Europe not an uncommon sight in the country.

Rest of Hungary is quite quiet and orderly, and electrorate conservative and nationalist, and many rural Hungarians harbour huge dislike for Budapest.

Soros is born Budapester btw, and one of many nicknames of the city is "Judapest" because of its huge Jewish population. It also houses largest Chinese community in central Europe that is really visible and Orban tried to open Chinese University in the city. Since I moved out I didn't follow HU news that much so no idea did it ever open.

Hungary is not what is seems.

Yes I stayed in Budapest for about a month in 2019 (in central Pest, but I came to prefer Buda) and I was pleasantly surprised,
Budapest seemed cleaner, safer, and more orderly than Malmo, Paris, London,
and other W European cities that I have stayed in, such as Amsterdam and Barcelona,
and Canadian and Australian cities as well.

And of course Budapest is MUCH cleaner, safer, and more orderly than any American city,
which is the future of every W European city.

Of course there are problems and this is the leftist concentration of an otherwise rightist nation.
The capital Budapest would be the site of any future colour revolution,
so this leftist concentration is possibly dangerous and destabilising.
The police only follow orders and are brutal by nature, this is why the government matters.

But I mean that Budapest seems to have a lower population of antifas and Islamists than any W Euro city,
and the lowest possible population of lumpenproles, all thanks to Orban:
the fewest possible minorities, migrants, and hardcore leftists, and the Soros organisation has also left Budapest.

-There are too few ethnic minorities to cause problems, unlike in most other cities.
The Jewish minority is respectable, small, and protected (unlike in W Europe due to the Muslim population).

-Crime is minimal, there is a strong police presence, any criminal gangs are the local mafia,
not the dangerous hordes of criminal migrants.
I encountered a few young drug users/bohemians/homeless/backpackers and some Gypsies.

-But there are no open drug scenes, very little visible drug use unlike most Western cities, drug laws are enforced,
so there is no large destabilising population of psychotic violent retards and paid rioters like in most Western cities.

-There is a lot of sex, vice, and legal prostitution, this is typical for Central Europe (for all of Europe actually).
I hope that the Hungarian state is compromising and blackmailing the prominent Euro hedonists who visit.

-There seem to be far fewer transgenders than in any Western city, maybe they fled or are in hiding.
-There are homosexuals of course, but even if they are all radicalised, this minority is not sufficient to destabilise the state.



Globohomo has targeted Hungary for regime change,
but has been unable to affect any change except in Budapest itself,
which has become a unified leftist fiefdom and will be a problem for Hungary later.

Globohomo had to bring in antifas/nato operatives from Germany, Italy, and Greece to cause trouble in Budapest recently,
because there are too few locals to do so.
Also Hungary has a minimal NATO presence, a seemingly strong security state, and new sovereignty protection laws.
And there are new, very popular movements of "far-right" young people, this is encouraging,
these can become urban paramilitaries that defend the nation from the antifas and other lumpenproles.
New movements such as Mi Hazank can keep young people excited on the right,
while Fidesz inevitably transitions into a normie party to keep the support of the large older population.

I can tell you about my experiences in Hungary later
I also stayed in Poland 3 times in the years prior to Hungary.

I was (still am) interested in the ex-communist countries because they are tax havens compared to W Europe,
and they have more homogenous, conservative, non-woke societies,
and their economies, energy production and standards of living are generally improving, unlike W Europe.
I believe that the future of European civilisation will be in the ex-communist countries.

[Your Old Comrade]

Yes I stayed in Budapest for about a month in 2019 (in central Pest, but I came to prefer Buda) and I was pleasantly surprised,
Budapest seemed cleaner, safer, and more orderly than Malmo, Paris, London,
and other W European cities that I have stayed in, such as Amsterdam and Barcelona, and Canadian and Australian cities as well.

And of course Budapest is MUCH cleaner, safer, and more orderly than any American city, which is the future of every W European city.

Of course there are problems and this is the leftist concentration of an otherwise rightist nation.
As the capital Budapest would be the site of any future colour revolution, so this leftist concentration is possibly dangerous and destabilising.
The police only follow orders and are brutal by nature, this is why the government matters.

But I mean that Budapest seems to have a lower population of antifas and Islamists than any W Euro city,
and the lowest possible population of lumpenproles, all thanks to Orban:
the fewest possible minorities, migrants, and hardcore leftists, and the Soros organisation has also left Budapest.

-There are too few ethnic minorities to cause problems. The Jewish minority is respectable and protected (unlike in W Europe) and very small.
-Crime is minimal, there is a strong police presence, any criminal gangs are the local mafia, not the dangerous hordes of criminal migrants.
I encountered a few young drug users/bohemians/homeless/backpackers and some Gypsies.
-But there are no open drug scenes, very little visible drug use unlike most Western cities, drug laws are enforced,
so there is no large destabilising population of psychotic violent retards and paid rioters like in most Western cities.
-There is a lot of sex, vice, and legal prostitution, this is typical for Central Europe (for all of Europe actually).
-There seem to be far fewer transgenders than in any Western city, maybe they fled or are in hiding.
-There are homosexuals of course, but even if they are all radicalised, this minority is not sufficient to destabilise the state.

Globohomo has targeted Hungary for regime change,
but has been unable to affect any change except in Budapest itself, which has become a unified leftist fiefdom and will be a problem for Hungary later.

Globohomo had to bring in antifas/nato operatives from Germany, Italy, and Greece to cause trouble in Budapest recently,
because there are too few locals to do so.
Also Hungary has a minimal NATO presence, a seemingly strong security state, and new sovereignty protection laws.
And there are new, very popular movements of "far-right" young people, these can become urban paramilitaries that defend the nation from the antifas.

I can tell you about my experiences in Hungary later
I also stayed in Poland 3 times in the years prior to Hungary.

I was (still am) interested in the ex-communist countries because they are tax havens compared to W Europe,
and they have more homogenous, conservative, non-woke societies,
and their economies, energy production and standards of living are generally improving, unlike W Europe.
I believe that the future of European civilisation will be in the ex-communist countries.

Either you haven't been in Budapest or you didn't venture behind the tourist scenes. Scarface knows the city a lot better than you do. And Budapest does have a reputation in Europe.

[HectorOfTroy]

Their fake "democracies" are already dictatorships, where people are made to believe they live in "freedom and democracy", but there is not any free speech when it comes to criticizing the unlimited third world immigration, the LGBT+ agenda, and all the decadent bullshit.

They're not already "dictatorships" moron, stop using low IQ reductionist bullshit arguments. Yeah they pull alot of strings but they're still having tons of delays and problems getting it to work their way because they have to try to make efforts to brainwash people first which doesn't always work and doesn't work on everyone. Dictatorship will do it much more reliably and quicker the control, and you'll be fucked much more quicker and more certainly. You're a pussy and an idiot for wanting a dictatorship.

Not surprisingly a person who believes in fixed fate/astrology (and thus dictatorships) thumbs up your comment because she's comfortable with the idea of having no say. Coward ideology comfortable with being dominated and f*'d, it's effeminate as hell.

You think those globalists won't subvert it right away or almost immediately soon? How naive are you? Do globalists shit on China? No they shit on the American freedoms and constitutions much more than shitting on Russia or China. Your "right wing" (not right wing) puppet with false promises will be your dictator, assuming you get God's luck he wont be a globalist compromising puppet, what's the chances the one after him will be, and the one after that? Fuck dictatorships. Globalists hate American constitution more than anything because it's the biggest threat to them, that's why they want to ban all guns and censor free speech, which is what dumbasses, pussies and fake "right wing" women will vote for happening with a dictatorship.

[CosmoLady]

you speak about immigrants, and yet you are an immigrant yourself in several countries as you've stated.Same goes for most people who complain about immigrants, they're usually immigrants themselves or have been, at some point. So are they also woke???

I am not an immigrant, I am an investor, I live in many places every year, I make money and spend money,
I pay local taxes but otherwise I avoid tax residency,
and I do not vote or consume public services such as healthcare, education, etc.

Migration is certainly destabilising, politically, economically, socially.
Migrants consume far more public services than they contribute in taxes.
Most migrants live on state assistance.
Migrants are also prone to crime, and hate the society that generously accepted them.
Migrants also take jobs away from the locals.
There should be no unskilled migration, and minimal skilled migration until local full employment has been achieved.

That is a neoliberal agenda (therefore ostensibly right-wing and not leftist).

I am against neoliberalism,
which is thinly disguised Globohomo imperialism, domination by predatory multinational corporations,
and domination by usurers, bankers, and financial manipulators, who are truly parasites, they do not and cannot produce anything.

And I am against usury (money-lending with interest), except in narrow, well-defined circumstances.

The current globalist neoliberalism appears capitalist and is a product of a capitalist system with weak anti-monopoly laws;
but the logical endpoint of neoliberalism is neofeudalism, serfdom, and Sorosoid communism, "you will own nothing and be happy".

Ironically capitalism must be protected and saved from the monopolists, plutocrats, globalist neoliberals,
or else it becomes feudalism and communism!

I am strongly in favour of capitalism that actually produces something and contributes to human civilisation and flourising,
through energy, food, raw materials, nuclear research, space exploration, etc,
even if this is less profitable than financial manipulation.



The state and government must always play a role in maintaining national sovereignty and directing economic development,
as even the intellectual founder of free-market capitalism in the 18th century, Adam Smith, said that businessmen are fundamentally untrustworthy:

“The interest of [businessmen] is always in some respects different from, and even opposite to, that of the public ... The proposal of any new law or regulation of commerce which comes from this order ... ought never to be adopted, till after having been long and carefully examined ... with the most suspicious attention. It comes from an order of men ... who have generally an interest to deceive and even oppress the public”

“People of the same trade seldom meet together, even for merriment and diversion,
but the conversation ends in a conspiracy against the public, or in some contrivance to raise prices.”

"It is not by augmenting the capital of a country, but by rendering a greater part of that capital active and productive than would otherwise be so, that the most judicious operations of banking can increase the industry of a country."

The state must also assure the economic and social conditions for a decent standard of living:

"No society can surely be flourishing and happy, of which the far greater part of the members are poor and miserable." -Adam Smith

You guys also talk about anglo-saxon promoted wokism and cultural marxism, and yet most of you anti-woke people come from English colonies.

I am not English, but even if I were, I would still be horrified by Globohomo wokism, and I would want no part of it.

By the way you used the term liberal-woke. So basically, if wokes and liberal are on the same side, then wokes cannot be with true leftists. Leftists are both against liberal and against conservative ideologies.

The current Western woke leftists are not Marxist-Leninist even if they pretend to be;
they are counterfeit leftists, controlled by NGOs/intelligence agencies,
in services of the Globohomo/Soros/Rothschild/Gates/Getty/Rockefeller/Anglo-Judaeo-American agenda.

The current feudalism/fake communism taking hold is not Marxist but Sorosoid, or Ingsoc, as George Orwell once said.

Your salaries (to all of you modern ''conservatives'') and wealth, comes from the very same companies that support liberalism. And you're usually wealthier than average bloke who doesn't give a shit about wokes and non wokes. You were made rich by these same companies that support wokism one day, conservatism the other day.

Well I work for myself and I do not receive a salary from a corporation or from anything that supports wokism.

Yes the multinational corporations are insidious, and they are becoming ever more woke,
I suspect that this has something to do with coercion from the woke asset managers that own them (ie Blackrock),
and the woke US intelligence services that control them and compromise them (through Epstein for example),
and the woke US and Euro laws and government agencies that force them to behave in a certain way.

Conservatives and wokes are two sides of the same coin.

Yes the centre-right are useful idiots for Globohomo, they are fake conservatives, they do not conserve anything.
Conservatism in general is prudent for an individual,
but is a lame ideology when confronting the critical threats that humanity faces.
Humanity needs a more aggressive champion.

Neoliberals, neoconservatives, and woke leftists all support the Globohomo agenda, they are all tentacles of the same monster.
The centre-right are merely mild liberal, at best useless, and at worst insidious, such as Rutte in the Netherlands.

Liberals and woke leftists/communists are the same, since they both lead to the same end: "you will own nothing and be happy"

[CosmoLady]

Either you haven't been in Budapest or you didn't venture behind the tourist scenes. Scarface knows the city a lot better than you do. And Budapest does have a reputation in Europe.

Yes I did not go outside the centre, main tourist areas, and nicer areas.
But Budapest is much nicer than any city in Western Europe that I have experienced.

Have you been to Budapest?

And Malmo, Paris, and London have horrible reputations as well, which I have confirmed sadly.

Amsterdam was seedy as well,
but is supposedly better than Rotterdam, Antwerp, Brussels, Berlin where I have never been.

[Your Old Comrade]

Yes I did not go outside the centre, main tourist areas, and nicer areas.
But Budapest is much nicer than any city in Western Europe that I have experienced.

Have you been to Budapest?

And Malmo, Paris, and London have horrible reputations as well, which I have confirmed sadly.

Amsterdam was seedy as well,
but is supposedly better than Rotterdam, Antwerp, Brussels, Berlin where I have never been.

Exactly. You didn't go outside the city centre. And the other cities deserve those reputations but the difference between them, is that Budapest is the capital of a self-styled nationalist country and the others woke shitholes. See: different standards, because what can we deduce from it ? That Orban, as a "nationalist", is just another slimey politician, a looter, a liar and a traitor much like those politicians here in the West with the only exception laying in who he sells the country to. No different from the ones we have here and his fruit speak for themselves: just look at the state of the country.

A reasonable patriot would be as ashamed of it, as a patriot here in the West.

[Scarface F]

Yes and budapesters dont like rural folk as well, especially they dislike east and north hungarians

Is northeastern Hungary really that bad? I haven't been there but heard some stories. Eastern Hungary doesn't make any sense, it's normal part of country with tidy countryside and nice cities, I don't understand why would anyone have prejudice towards Alfold.

[CosmoLady]

Can't help but chuckle about this. Nobody can tell me that Orban and the boys aren't taking a nice cut from the porn and party industry while turning a blind eye. It's how that style of politics works: you claim to be all law and order while you rob the country clean and use the vice industry for bread and circuses and more income on the side. Same goes for the heavy presence of political radicalism from both left and right and criminal gangs: they make the Leader seem like the reasonable alternative (and this is deliberate!).

"If only The Leader knew". Oh the fucker knows, alright! Mafia politics ! Need examples of it ? Try much of Latin America, the Philippines, Thailand, Jeltsin's and Putin's Russia, and, up to a degree, Italy under Berlusconi.

Yes exactly, this is deliberate, as you say.

The mafia must be controlled by the government, or else the mafia will be controlled from abroad, out of control.

There is always a mafia, even in very safe, clean Asian countries like Japan (which are safer and cleaner than Hungary).
The point is to keep the mafia under control, it will always exist, unless you try some extreme social engineering.

Only in Singapore there is almost no crime, but Singapore is also VERY strict and traditional,
and this type of culture and values is alien to Europe and probably cannot be implemented in Europe.
Singapore is also a heavily surveilled police state.

[Your Old Comrade]

Yes exactly, this is deliberate, as you say.

The mafia must be controlled by the local government, or else the mafia will be controlled from abroad, out of control.

There is always a mafia, even in very safe, clean Asian countries like Japan (which are safer and cleaner than Hungary).
The point is to keep the mafia under control, it will always exist, unless you try some extreme social engineering.

Only in Singapore there is almost no crime, but Singapore is also VERY strict and traditional,
and this type of culture and values is alien to Europe and probably cannot be implemented in Europe.
Singapore is also a heavily surveilled police state.

Always easy to blame the party that is not Fidesz. No. It's the national government that is the one in control and there is a reason why Hungary has trouble getting EU funds: because they are corrupt as sin. One of the worst countries, if not the worst, in the EU corruption wise.

Singapore has a completely different mentality and is a multicultural, even multiracial society, run by a bunch of Chinese. Apples and pears.

Again: time for a straight answer and no excuses. Would a nationalist government allow for this? Yes. Or. No ? By their fruits, you shall know them!

[Scarface F]

O.K. For the politically naive people around us: would a patriottic government allow their country to look like a dump in parts ? With vice being rife, everything unpainted, with homeless in every metro station ? Would a patriiottic government allow gangs and political radicals to get out of control ? Would a patriottic government allow the capital of their country to turn into a brothel and politics and business run on corruption ? Would a patriottic government stand by idly when the alcoholism, suicide, abortion etc rates are some of the worst in Europe? Would a patriottic government allow for its healthcare system to be so neglected that it collapses ? Would a patriottic government allow for an education crisis ? Would a patriottic government allow for a housing crisis ? I don't want no excuses. Just a clear yes or no ?

We both know the answer.

Hungary is not very socialist in nature, it's more like US in some things which I don't like. Orban lowered the taxes (except VAT that was highest in Europe) for the rich and profit thus Hungary attracted largest multi-billion investments, more than most of other ex commie EU members.

Until conflict with EU and freezing the funds + war in Ukraine Hungary was doing very well economically. Salaries that were one of lower in eastern EU grew a lot in 2010s, they had cheapest energy costs and overall life in Hungary, especially groceries, were really affiordable.

Having more children was encounraged with tax benefits and other good things. Sale of tobaccoo and things like that was banned from normal shops and you need to go to specialized shops to buy it, since Hungary had quite unhealthy population on average, and especially the poorest like Gypsies had really low life expectancy.

But in last few years it all has gotten notably worse. And yes, Orban built a network of his cronnies and friends who got extremely wealthy in illegal ways. He is a mobster, but was a capable mobster for the most part. He fixed lot of damage Gyurcsany government did, but in last few years Hungary was unlucky with external circumstances they couldn't control, but also he made some very bad moves.

Some visionary things he did was to open up for Chinese investements and now Hungary is logistic centre for Chinese money in the region, with second being Serbia. He did good stuff with nuclear power plant Paks too, which Russians were supposed to refurnish and build new reactors, for much cheaper than the west would have.

Main problem I see with his rule, except huge corruption, is impoverishment of poorer Hungarians and many live really in deep povetry. In Hungary class differences are becoming too large. YOu have people who are as rich as richest westerners and than you have some who live in third world conditions. It's not good.

Health system is not good overall and if you are poor you are not in good situation. Lot of of hospitals closed in smaller towns due to budget issues and only kept ambulances and such. Stears father, who died few years ago, from pneumonia, maybe could have been saved if in their town Hospital wasn't shut down. He was very sick and since there was no more Hospital in the town he just got some doctor visitation and when it was finally arranged to transfer him to bigger town Hospital, it was already too late.

I think Hungary is country of contradictions with some really great sides and some terrible ones. What I like a lot was patriotic education in school, pride in their country and flag, quality investments in culture that promote Hungarian identity and history. Lot of old castles were renovated, lot of good films were made about important parts of Hungarian history, and overall you can sense national pride is a thing there.

My wish is for corrupt mobster Orban to lose power, but not to be replaced with woke globalist, but some less corrupt, younger and less spoiled patriotic force which is currently not on the horizon as far as I am aware.

Keep in mind Orban was far more idealistic as young promising politican. Power spoils everyone long term.