Sacha's IllustrativeDNA Results

[sacha]

Do you have more examples of Syrian Maronites' DNA results other than yourself?

There was one other guy who I was talking to who had a sample of 3-4 from my area, but he ghosted me after a bit I am going to get my father’s in (I’m waiting on his raw data to convert to G25) and I am looking basically everywhere now, I hate when you’re like right there and they seem so willing to help and then they just stop responding.

[Ugo]

Steppe has CHG/Iran component + minor farmer+levantine, though, around 40%-45%ish in total (all of them).

In fact, the only Europeans are EHG. ANF is a strange Middle Eastern component, the least militant, but very advanced for reproduction. In the struggle to transfer their DNA, it is not the strongest and bravest who wins, but the laziest and most cunning. The winner is the one who knows how to get into bed with a woman, treating her to the most delicious southern wine. I agree that EHG are the least successful Europeans in the women's bed because they are constantly dying in wars or hunting mammoths away from home. EHG (descendants of the steppe people) have been preserved only in the marshes of Eastern Europe, for example, in Finnish, Baltic or Russian marshes. For ANF, these are the least attractive lands. You can't sleep here during the day, you can't have a siesta, otherwise other swamp creatures or Mongoloids will devour you. You will not be able to survive in the northern swamps due to dark skin or dark hair/eyes, because you will be visible to predators in the snow.

[kingmob]

In fact, the only Europeans are EHG. ANF is a strange Middle Eastern component, the least militant, but very advanced for reproduction. In the struggle to transfer their DNA, it is not the strongest and bravest who wins, but the laziest and most cunning. The winner is the one who knows how to get into bed with a woman, treating her to the most delicious southern wine. I agree that EHG are the least successful Europeans in the women's bed because they are constantly dying in wars or hunting mammoths away from home. EHG (descendants of the steppe people) have been preserved only in the marshes of Eastern Europe, for example, in Finnish, Baltic or Russian marshes. For ANF, these are the least attractive lands. You can't sleep here during the day, you can't have a siesta, otherwise other swamp creatures or Mongoloids will devour you. You will not be able to survive in the northern swamps due to dark skin or dark hair/eyes, because you will be visible to predators in the snow.

I guess that's one way to look at things.

A small correction though, EHG are not the 'descendants' of the Steppe Yamnaya culture, they are its progenitors (by 55% or so) together with those strangle Middle Eastern peoples (the other half).

Also, I disagree about the 'militant' bit. The early neolithic and later civs of the south were extremely warlike and in constant warfare. How many of them fought and perished, from Mesopotamia and Sumeria all the way to Greece and the Italian peninsula. Their history is nothing but military conflict.

Finally, as a avid Russian patriot (good for you) you must know of your own history, how you became a global power after your contact and symbiosis with the Eastern Roman Empire (aka the Byzantines).

[Ugo]

I guess that's one way to look at things.

A small correction though, EHG are not the 'descendants' of the Steppe Yamnaya culture, they are its progenitors (by 55% or so) together with those strangle Middle Eastern peoples (the other half).

Also, I disagree about the 'militant' bit. The early neolithic and later civs of the south were extremely warlike and in constant warfare. How many of them fought and perished, from Mesopotamia and Sumeria all the way to Greece and the Italian peninsula. Their history is nothing but military conflict.

Finally, as a avid Russian patriot (good for you) you must know of your own history, how you became a global power after your contact and symbiosis with the Eastern Roman Empire (aka the Byzantines).

Steppe: EHG are men. CHG are women. In the East/There are almost no male CHG(J,E,G) haplogroups in Northern Europe. I don't want to offend my 11-13% CHG, but they are my great-grandmothers, not great-grandfathers. Sorry. The culture of the steppe is male, patriarchal. This means that the steppe culture is EHG - what you call a swamp.

Our whole history is the history of our elites, we just adapted to it.

[kingmob]

Steppe: EHG are men. CHG are women. In the East/There are almost no male CHG(J,E,G) haplogroups in Northern Europe. I don't want to offend my 11-13% CHG, but they are my great-grandmothers, not great-grandfathers. Sorry. The culture of the steppe is male, patriarchal. This means that the steppe culture is EHG - what you call a swamp.

Our whole history is the history of our elites, we just adapted to it.

Τhis is still undecided. The autosome makeup of the Yamnaya men (45% MENA 55% EHG) pinpoints to a MENA male and EHG female ancestor, but, before you take out your pitchforks, like I said, this is still up for grabs. However, there's also J found in the steppe BA.

Here you can find the relative quote/argument from the author himself:

https://twitter.com/iosif_lazaridis/...085187?lang=el


As for the Steppe being a culture strictly confined to the swamp, I also disagree, the first Steppe civs were in the south, Hittites, Lydians, Carians, Armenians, Greeks, Mittani, and others.

For you, Slavic speakers, it's only after you come in contact with the Byzantines you even get your written vocabularly and your (Greek) alphabet, those southern guys had a much bigger head-start than you in terms of who done what first.

[kingmob]

Continued:

Also, as Southern Arc demonstrated, the absence of EHG (or near absence) in those 71 Turkey_BA samples they gathered, strongly suggests that the original Indo-Anatolian PIE branch doesn't have a Steppe origin but rather an Iranian Plateau/South Caucasus one (CHG incursion).

Spoiler!

PS. I think your 'we wuzz' arguments need an update, you seem to be stuck at 2017.

[Peterski]

I only have one of them, here it is below (for "SachasLebaneseFriend2"):

Arabian 12.57 Pct
Armenian 10.25 Pct
East_Med 31.33 Pct
Iberian 3.98 Pct
Italian 11.25 Pct
Near_Eastern 27.53 Pct
Northeast_African 0.18 Pct
West_Caucasian 2.17 Pct
West_Med 0.75 Pct

With my K36 data he/she is closest to Palestinian Christians then to Syrian Christians and Lebanese Christians:

[1] "1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCE%"
Asia_PS_West-Bank-Christians
0.5350598
Asia_SYR_Syria-Christians
0.6985993
Asia_LB_Mount-Lebanon:Christians
0.7830639
Asia_ISR_Holon:Samaritans
0.9220841
Asia_LB_Ashrafieh-District:OLC
0.9322720
Asia_JOR_Jordan-Christians
0.9353149
Asia_LB_North-Lebanon:NLMM
1.0085445
(...)

NLMM are Maronites.

He also did IllustrativeDNA, he is basically right in the center of their Levant cluster, and his closest populations on their modern model were:
1 Palestinian Christian 2.717
2 Lebanese Christian (Melkite) 2.842
3 Lebanese Christian (Maronite) 2.937
4 Lebanese Christian (Greek Orthodox) 2.999
5 Druze (Israel) 3.330

Seems that they don't have Syrian and Jordanian Christians in their modern populations database.

[Leto]

Result (removed empty ones):
Arabian 7.86 Pct
Armenian 8.02 Pct
East_Med 42.7 Pct
Iberian 0.33 Pct
Italian 8.6 Pct
Near_Eastern 18.39 Pct
North_African 1.03 Pct
West_Caucasian 6.04 Pct
West_Med 7.03 Pct

By chr:

Spoiler!

Since you're at it, can you also post Eurogenes K13 and Dodecad K12b? I used to be a huge GEDmatch fan but now it seems to have largely fallen out of use. Though what we have instead is a bunch of Turks and Brazilians creating "models" for Europeans

[Peterski]

OLC = Ashrafieh Greek Orthodox community.

NLMM = North Lebanon Mountain Maronites.

[Queen_95]

Those are interesting results !