Nordic countries have signed DCA (Defense Cooperation Agreements) with the USA

[JiaTheResearcher]

You need help. Medical help. Strong benzos or something.

Yes, she does. Most rumors about Trump and Putin are matter of psychology, not actual politics.

[JiaTheResearcher]

Needs to be more cultural matter (part of SISU) as Finland did not become occupied while WW II. People were ready to fight behalf of the country for their last breath (against huge enemy). Even some 13 - 14 years old boys. Plus I just googled your benzos ... they came to markets later, somewhere 1960's.

Don't forget your membership on Axis side in WWII when you took part in Siege of Leningrad, when an estimated 1.5 million people died as a result of the siege. In Finland you so selective in collective memory, presenting yourselves as victims only.

[Finnish Swede]

Can you provide a reliable source for your claims?

Of course. Bad for you, the text is in Finnish.
https://www.mtvuutiset.fi/artikkeli/...6076#gs.33oql7
Ok, you had said some issues as well (''claims''). Time to prove those now.

In case you suspect your leader in betrayal, you have to know NATO is not a solution, you could sort out the issue in a court. Instead you support enlisting your country men as cannon fodder for American military machine.

LOL. Betrayal? Why? Niinistö is the best president Finland has had since these two men (left & right). He actually has worked much better than I though.

As being a small country, you just do not have all the options in your hands. Sometimes you simply have 2 - 3 options which none are ''great'', and you still need to choose one of them. Just like Ryti did with Nazi Germany. Why? Because others (or another) will lead/push/force the situation on that. Not Finns.

[Finnish Swede]

Don't forget your membership on Axis side in WWII when you took part in Siege of Leningrad, when an estimated 1.5 million people died as a result of the siege. In Finland you so selective in collective memory, presenting yourselves as victims only.

Russian talks. Mannerheim actually did not take Finnish forces that close to the city (even as Germans asked that few times). Why? Perhaps he already saw the Germans will loose the war.

''Finland stopped at Stalin's line in the northern defense zone of Leningrad, the Karelian fortress area in early September as the fighting mostly subsided into a positional war. After the Soviet Union transferred reinforcements from the Finnish block against the Germans, the advance of the German Army Group North practically stopped as well.
To the north of Laatoka, the Finns occupied most of the Soviet Union's Eastern Karelia, and occupied the bridgehead station about 10 kilometers deep south of the Syvärijoki, east of the Syvärinvoimala. Despite their best efforts, the Germans could not get there from the south. This left about 100 kilometers of the eastern shore of Laatoka in the hands of the Red Army, which was of great importance to Leningrad when the Germans decided to abandon the attempt to capture the city and began a siege. At the beginning of November, Leningrad was almost completely besieged and the railway and other service connections to the city were cut off, except for the Life Road that ran through Laatoka. The entire population of Leningrad was organized to fortify the city and support the 200,000 soldiers who defended it.''

Plus Mannerheim lived 1/3 of his life in St. Petersburg. Incl. lovers etc. natural part of human's life. He was one of the generals of czar Nicholas II ... for example served in Russia - Japan war 1906 - 1908). So some has said that he might have had some feelings against the city & people there, but that is hard to prove.

[JiaTheResearcher]

Of course. Bad for you, the text is in Finnish.
https://www.mtvuutiset.fi/artikkeli/...6076#gs.33oql7
Ok, you had said some issues as well (''claims''). Time to prove those now.

Niinistö is the best president Finland

I see nothing wrong. 16 times of buddy talks, if the article is accurate. Unfortunately for you, I see zero excuses for Finland to join NATO's meat grinder.

Russian talks. Mannerheim actually did not take Finnish forces that close to the city (even as Germans asked that few times). Why? Perhaps he already saw the Germans will loose the war.

''Finland stopped at Stalin's line in the northern defense zone of Leningrad, the Karelian fortress area in early September as the fighting mostly subsided into a positional war. After the Soviet Union transferred reinforcements from the Finnish block against the Germans, the advance of the German Army Group North practically stopped as well.
To the north of Laatoka, the Finns occupied most of the Soviet Union's Eastern Karelia, and occupied the bridgehead station about 10 kilometers deep south of the Syvärijoki, east of the Syvärinvoimala. Despite their best efforts, the Germans could not get there from the south. This left about 100 kilometers of the eastern shore of Laatoka in the hands of the Red Army, which was of great importance to Leningrad when the Germans decided to abandon the attempt to capture the city and began a siege. At the beginning of November, Leningrad was almost completely besieged and the railway and other service connections to the city were cut off, except for the Life Road that ran through Laatoka. The entire population of Leningrad was organized to fortify the city and support the 200,000 soldiers who defended it.''

Finland declared war on Russia separately from Germany in June, 1941, just days after the German invasion of Soviet Russia. The Finns were aware of the planned German attack and in return for help in buying arms and in fighting the Soviets, they did allow German troops in Finland just before the attack and on newly conquered Soviet territory at the Finnish border after.

If we condemn Stalin's attack against Finland, then we have to agree Stalin and Finland were worth each other in murders of innocent civilians.

Niinistö is the best president Finland has had since these two men (left & right). He actually has worked much better than I though.

Why not in the center? Right. Because he failed to conquer Karelia and Leningrad for you.

[Finnish Swede]

I see nothing wrong. 16 times of buddy talks, if the article is accurate. Unfortunately for you, I see zero excuses for Finland to join NATO's meat grinder.

Of course, it just showed how many times they have met. As you did not believe that. What they have alked ... or more like ... what Putin has said to Niinistö is fully another story. And the latter one is one of the reasons why we are where we are today (in NATO and also have this DCA). War in Ukraine perhaps the biggest reason.

Again where is your proves to your claims?!

Finland declared war on Russia separately from Germany in June, 1941, just days after the German invasion of Soviet Russia. The Finns were aware of the planned German attack and in return for help in buying arms and in fighting the Soviets, they did allow German troops in Finland just before the attack and on newly conquered Soviet territory at the Finnish border after.

Very weird that they did that. Oh, so so wrong that they did that. Just as 1939 Russians attacked into Finland (Winter War) and stole some land areas from Finland. The main purpose was to connect whole country to Sovjet Union. So? Yes, so so weird that Finns did not trust Stalin or wanted something back.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winter_War

Why not in the center? Right. Because he failed to conquer Karelia and Leningrad for you.

Man in the middle? Hard to say. Do you think Europe would have more or less non-european refugees if they would have won (like Germany, France, Sweden, Norway, Netherlands ... you name it)? In any case, he hardly has been more bogeyman than Stalin (one who some in Europe still today idolize). No doubt, today's ''Jewish'' world-order (global money=> power behind of curtain) has wanted to show him in as bad lights as possible. But who cares really, Finn were not Nazis. Mannerheim was simply a soldier first and foremost.

[JiaTheResearcher]

Of course, it just showed how many times they have met. As you did not believe that. What they have alked ... or more like ... what Putin has said to Niinistö is fully another story. And the latter one is one of the reasons why we are where we are today (in NATO and also have this DCA). War in Ukraine perhaps the biggest reason.

Again where is your proves to your claims?!

What have I ever prove? First time you name me an idiot because I stated lack of danger from Russia for Scandinavia. You stated that Niinistö is almost best president of Finland ever and he used to friendly talk to Putin even 16 times... According to your logic Putin is the best buddy for Finland ever.

Very weird that they did that. Oh, so so wrong that they did that. Just as 1939 Russians attacked into Finland (Winter War) and stole some land areas from Finland. The main purpose was to connect whole country to Sovjet Union. So? Yes, so so weird that Finns did not trust Stalin or wanted something back.

Finn were not Nazis. Mannerheim was simply a soldier first and foremost.

Yes, you wanted something back from Russia.. as much as possible.. Preferably to the Urals... being a right hand of Nazi Germany. Without care of Russian civilian loses, with the help of Adolf Hitler.

After all it's ridiculous how you Finns try to keep on two chairs, pretending to be an innocent side in the WWII. When your country releases comic movies like Sisu (2022) it gives one more reason to laugh.

[Finnish Swede]

What have I ever prove?

Your claims, like these:

'' Doesn't seem like defense at all (DCA).''
I disagree, for us it is defense. Pro-active, if you want. Better react too early than too late in matters like this. Stopping/eliminating someone to try something.

''There was no real danger for Nordic states.''
Maybe not now 2023 - 2024 (as Russians hands are fully in Ukraine), but what after that ... if they could win? Putin has several times talked about returning the sphere of interest areas into Europe We would never agree and accept that peacefully (being someway under Russians sphere of interest). So tell me, how he could get those? Yes, only via using force. Determinate also the danger here. Other nation can always say/express that they do not ''like'', if you (your nation) will do this or that, but at least my line goes here: Foreign nation opposite starts to say you that you can not do this or that. That is none business of them or nobody else.

''I seriously doubt Putin is the real danger''
He (as a one person) is the biggest risk for Europeans security right now. At least to those of us who lives close enough to Russian borders. And he is not anymore a risk for Ukrainians, but concrete player.

First time you name me an idiot because I stated lack of danger from Russia for Scandinavia.

As you questioned our decisions based on fully wrong reasons. BTW: Why do you even care about this? This is none of your business, or are you fake identity (in real a Russian perhaps)?

You stated that Niinistö is almost best president of Finland ever and he used to friendly talk to Putin even 16 times... According to your logic Putin is the best buddy for Finland ever.

You logic is comic. Yes, Niinistö is good as he really tried to become together with Putin (as long as that was someway possible) without ''selling'' Finland to Russia. But also as he moved pretty quickly as he saw that first option did not work anymore and he lead Finland to NATO.

Yes, you wanted something back from Russia.. as much as possible.. Preferably to the Urals... being a right hand of Nazi Germany. Without care of Russian civilian loses, with the help of Adolf Hitler.

Try to be even someway realistic (will make your trollings better). There was max. 4 million Finns at 1940's. How a hell they could have controlled a country that big? Even today Finland is one of the most sparsely populated countries in Europe.

After all it's ridiculous how you Finns try to keep on two chairs, pretending to be an innocent side in the WWII. When your country releases comic movies like Sisu (2022) it gives one more reason to laugh.

Finns did not start war against Russians. Finns wanted to stay outside of WWII (like Sweden). Russians simply did not allow Finns that (firstly Molotov-Ribbentrop path, then Shelling of Mainila and lastly Winter War). In my eyes that alone makes Finns pretty innocent. Finland was also the only country in the world which paid all their war reparations to Allieds (Sovjet Union). None of other Axis countries did the same. Thirdly Finns lost quite a much land to Russians via peace treaty. Lastly Russians eliminated (= denied) Finns chances to get any Marshall Aid from USA (help which central Europe got a lot after WWII). All that via fights Finns did not started.

[JiaTheResearcher]

I disagree, for us it is defense. Pro-active, if you want. Better react too early than too late in matters like this. Stopping/eliminating someone to try something.

Pro-active fight with watermills.
Your country didn't have border issues with Russia, didn't you?
As long as you stayed neutral it guaranteed peaceful relation with Moscow, but now you want to collect American troops in your territory, wondering why Russia is getting nervous lol
I can repeat there was and still is no danger for Scandinavia from Russia.

He (as a one person) is the biggest risk for Europeans security right now. At least to those of us who lives close enough to Russian borders. And he is not anymore a risk for Ukrainians, but concrete player.

As you questioned our decisions based on fully wrong reasons. BTW: Why do you even care about this? This is none of your business, or are you fake identity (in real a Russian perhaps)?

blah blah blah... Putin here, Putin there, Putin everywhere!
You sound like a member of the Democratic party of the USA before another elections.
Is you care so much about your national future, why do you never say anything about your country legalizing LGBT trash? You likely don't care at all about the Finnish government inviting third order migrants to your state thus destroying your future. Instead you see enemy in face of Putin only, while "Niinistö is good". Brilliant logic.

I don't move to Europe and don't mix with other non-Asian races, so I can talk about everything and care about thing everywhere, it's my natural right. Do you really see Russian in anyone arguing about your pro-American hysteria? In this case Loki was right, it's something mental.

You logic is comic. Yes, Niinistö is good as he really tried to become together with Putin (as long as that was someway possible) without ''selling'' Finland to Russia. But also as he moved pretty quickly as he saw that first option did not work anymore and he lead Finland to NATO.

Yeah Niinistö was happy enough to receive investments from Russia and to grant citizenship for oligarchs from Putin's inner circle. What exactly didn't work anymore?

Try to be even someway realistic (will make your trollings better). There was max. 4 million Finns at 1940's. How a hell they could have controlled a country that big? Even today Finland is one of the most sparsely populated countries in Europe.

That's why Finns attacked Soviet Union as fast as Nazi Germany started blitzkrieg, Finns didn't dare to start it alone.
In that case Stalin was genius with pro-active fight against Hitler's little buddies.

In my eyes that alone makes Finns pretty innocent. Finland was also the only country in the world which paid all their war reparations to Allieds (Sovjet Union). None of other Axis countries did the same. Thirdly Finns lost quite a much land to Russians via peace treaty. Lastly Russians eliminated (= denied) Finns chances to get any Marshall Aid from USA (help which central Europe got a lot after WWII). All that via fights Finns did not started.

Typical case of small nation victim-hood mentality.
I doubt your country ever paid off crimes like this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_K...ntration_camps or https://www.jstor.org/stable/40650407 or this

[Finnish Swede]

Pro-active fight with watermills.
Your country didn't have border issues with Russia, didn't you?

Unfortunately all is not up to us. Russians have habits (history proves that well) to do this or that ... even as another country has no border issues with Russia. Yup, Finns did not have border issues either 1939. Russians just and only had those. But we all know that too well, and Russians mind can also change in one night. Who knows about tomorrow?

As long as you stayed neutral it guaranteed peaceful relation with Moscow, but now you want to collect American troops in your territory, wondering why Russia is getting nervous lol

Peaceful? Like Belarussians? What if Finns do not want that fate? Finns surely did not want that either 1939. Estonians tried that policy and we all know what happened to them. They were no in danger between 1945 - 1991, right? So all were well for them? I know how they'll think... it was occupation and all were not well! So you talk about ''danger'' ... that word deserves to go to toilet. It does not mean all!

I can repeat there was and still is no danger for Scandinavia from Russia.

Danger again? What a hell that even means? So we are not danger if we do all what Moscow will say? For how long and how far? Becoming puppets of Moscow without any real power to decide our own matters? Again, what if we did not want that? What if we wanted to stay independent countries; not just in papers but in real? And quite franckly, we care damn shit about if Putin does not like that.

blah blah blah... Putin here, Putin there, Putin everywhere!
You sound like a member of the Democratic party of the USA before another elections.

And you sound like Russian.

Is you care so much about your national future, why do you never say anything about your country legalizing LGBT trash? You likely don't care at all about the Finnish government inviting third order migrants to your state thus destroying your future. Instead you see enemy in face of Putin only, while "Niinistö is good". Brilliant logic.

There are things which I do not like, yes, but the major difference is that those are decisions done by Finns or by Swedes etc. ... not anybody outsider behalf of us. And believe me, there are lot more ''similar'' internal issues/matters (how society is and/or who it really works) in Russia which I do not like (just to mention).

I don't move to Europe and don't mix with other non-Asian races, so I can talk about everything and care about thing everywhere, it's my natural right. Do you really see Russian in anyone arguing about your pro-American hysteria? In this case Loki was right, it's something mental.

Not as deeply as you are (even as your arguments will loose every time). It is hard to fight against facts. So why so? Or maybe you are one of those Moscow paid trolls. Yes, I have met them in few local forums ... Finns have even name for that ''hypervaikuttaminen''.

Yeah Niinistö was happy enough to receive investments from Russia and to grant citizenship for oligarchs from Putin's inner circle. What exactly didn't work anymore?

What investments? Please give a list? Finland denied yours (together with Finnish companies ... so even that was not pure Russians project) nuclear power plant project https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanhik...ar_Power_Plant... and thank good Finns did so. Opposite Finns and Swedes built your St. Petersburg's wastewater handling plant ... only as it was best thing anybody could do by looking the best of Baltic Sea. Your country is so ''technology leader''. Just weapons ... who cares the rest/anything else! And your oligarchs did not really investment anything to Finland ... they just bought existing properties from Finland ... and 2 or 3 got Finland's citizenship via that. Mostly Jewish Russian people ...

That's why Finns attacked Soviet Union as fast as Nazi Germany started blitzkrieg, Finns didn't dare to start it alone.

LOL 4 million against 170million. Who would? Still Russians are seeing Finland as threat. Damn those SISU-Finns (White Deaths)

Typical case of small nation victim-hood mentality.

Typical or not, still 100% truth. Small countries often face pretty unfair fates. You should try and feel that once, it would teach you some humility.

I doubt your country ever paid off crimes like this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_K...ntration_camps or https://www.jstor.org/stable/40650407 or this

And what about these of yours?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet...ans_in_Finland


















There is even a book of those:

But of course you can not find or read it in Russia...

And there is also a short video in Youtube. As the material is pretty brutal ... I needed to prove my age first to watch it.