IQ maps of Europe and the World (PISA scores)

[Oghuz]

Nothing behind IQ and race science is assumptions. Races evolved.

If IQ is reflective of genetics only then how come we have Mongoloids, Turko-Iranics, Caucasians, and Indopaks scoring similarly in hard sciences H-Index or intellect based competitions?

If anything about IQ was pseudo scientific, IQ would be gone from science a long time ago given how politically controversial it is since the undisputed racial and sex differences. But it's still here after 100 years and 70 years of entire cultural zeitgeist being that of anti racism, egalitarianism and equality.

People practice witchcraft, eastern medicine, spirituality, and pray to unseen gods too in the modern world.

I have already explained that molecular neurologists do not consider IQ tests as absolute science because, before IQ scoring, samples are never normalized. Let alone this 19th-century test, they would not even take static neuroimaging seriously (90s science) since intellect stimuli are now established to be a a dynamic process.

Oh please, even the leftie "anti racist" Wikipedia doesn't classify taxonomy as psudoscience.

I care for mathematical reality, not what Wikipedia says. And yes taxonomy is a pseudoscience because cranial measurements + pigmentation, the baseline of taxonomy, often do not have any relationship with genetics. An Iranic man can have the same cranial measurement or pigmentation as a Germanic yet they are far apart from each other in their genetics. What is happening here? the molecular reality (genetics) does not align with pseudoscience from the 19th century which was based upon macro scale metrics, the only tool available back then. Case of IQ is the same being from the same obsolete era.

What the hell are you talking about? Nobody denies there are environmental factors that contribute to IQ and PISA scores? That doesn't make PISA scores less valid.But to say that since there are environmental factors, that must mean there are no genetic factors is a logical fallacy. There can be both. And the idea all populations have the same potential for intelligence is ludicrous and extremely unlikely under evolutionary logic.

If you are accepting that PISA tests do not normalize the samples before comparing them then you are accepting that PISA tests are not valid. Again you did not answer my question, when it's a FACT that cognitive development reflects environmental growth, how can two groups who received no standardized environment growing up, be compared?

[Johnny V]

2023 PISA

[Supercomputer]

If IQ is reflective of genetics only then how come we have Mongoloids, Turko-Iranics, Caucasians, and Indopaks scoring similarly in hard sciences H-Index or intellect based competitions?



People practice witchcraft, eastern medicine, spirituality, and pray to unseen gods too in the modern world.

I have already explained that molecular neurologists do not consider IQ tests as absolute science because, before IQ scoring, samples are never normalized. Let alone this 19th-century test, they would not even take static neuroimaging seriously (90s science) since intellect stimuli are now established to be a a dynamic process.



I care for mathematical reality, not what Wikipedia says. And yes taxonomy is a pseudoscience because cranial measurements + pigmentation, the baseline of taxonomy, often do not have any relationship with genetics. An Iranic man can have the same cranial measurement or pigmentation as a Germanic yet they are far apart from each other in their genetics. What is happening here? the molecular reality (genetics) does not align with pseudoscience from the 19th century which was based upon macro scale metrics, the only tool available back then. Case of IQ is the same being from the same obsolete era.



If you are accepting that PISA tests do not normalize the samples before comparing them then you are accepting that PISA tests are not valid. Again you did not answer my question, when it's a FACT that cognitive development reflects environmental growth, how can two groups who received no standardized environment growing up, be compared?

If IQ is a pseudoscience how can you explain the fact that it predicts life outcomes such as economic success, likelihood of ending up in prison, extramarital children etc? Things that have predictive validity are not pseudoscience. You did not answer my question of how come IQ is still a respected psychometric despite the fact that our entire cultural Zeitgeist is of anti racism and equality. It is because experts that know what they're talking about disagree with you. Attacks on IQ are politically motivated pseudoscience.

Sorry, I find none of your arguments convincing and I don't have time arguing. To me you're just another Haji that refuses to accept the fact that your people are inferior relative to Europeans.

[gixajo]

If IQ is a pseudoscience how can you explain the fact that it predicts life outcomes such as economic success, likelihood of ending up in prison, extramarital children etc? Things that have predictive validity are not pseudoscience. You did not answer my question of how come IQ is still a respected psychometric despite the fact that our entire cultural Zeitgeist is of anti racism and equality. It is because experts that know what they're talking about disagree with you. Attacks on IQ are politically motivated pseudoscience.

Sorry, I find none of your arguments convincing and I don't have time arguing. To me you're just another Haji that refuses to accept the fact that your people are inferior relative to Europeans.

And how do you know that it is the higher/lower IQ that produces all that, and not all that that produces higher/lower IQ?

What is the cause and what is the consequence?

Were Europeans more intelligent than the Chinese 30 years ago? Were Egyptians more intelligent than Europeans 3000 years ago?

Were Southern Europeans more intelligent than Northern Europeans 1000-2000 years ago?

[Supercomputer]

And how do you know that it is the higher/lower IQ that produces all that, and not all that that produces higher/lower IQ?

What is the cause and what is the consequence?

Race and IQ what experts think
https://ideasanddata.wordpress.com/2...n-race-and-iq/

https://www.sciencedirect.com/scienc...60289619301886

Higher IQ correlates with higher income
https://psycnet.apa.org/record/2007-12577-007

European genetic ancestry predicts with intelligence within each major American race/ethnic groups and this remains true after controlling for racial self-identification, genetically predicted skin color, and parental education
https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1...074v2.full.pdf

Racial ancestry predicts IQ after controlling for skin color and parental SES. Skin color does not predict IQ differences between siblings, suggesting discrimination can’t explain why skin color or ancestry predicts IQ.
https://www.mdpi.com/2624-8611/1/1/1

Polygenic scores (PGS) based on the frequency of genes which predict IQ within each race are highly predictive of national IQ differences even after controlling for malnutrition, measures of national development, and child mortality.
https://www.mdpi.com/2624-8611/1/1/5

Controlling for PGS reduces the relationship between African ancestry and IQ even after having already controlled for SES, skin color, self reported experience with discrimination, and measures of local institutional racism, suggesting racial IQ differences are partly caused by the genes measured by the PGS.
https://www.researchgate.net/publica...merican_Youths

Explaining Racial Inequality

Adding IQ to a standard set of variables predicting income flips the black-white income gap so that blacks now make more than whites.
https://sci-hub.ee/https:/www.jstor....rigin=crossref

Adding verbal ability to a standard set of controls eliminated the black-white income gap at least as far back as the 1970s.
https://personal.lse.ac.uk/kanazawa/pdfs/MDE2005.pdf

At similar levels of IQ, educational attainment is higher for blacks than it is for whites.
https://www.amazon.com/Bell-Curve-In...s%2C139&sr=8-1

Adding IQ to a standard set of control variables eliminates the black-white gap in criminal sentence length.
https://sci-hub.se/10.1080/0735648X.1996.9721533

After controlling for IQ and self reported history of violence, the black-white gap in the probability of being arrested and/or incarcerated is no longer statistically significant.
https://sci-hub.se/10.1016/j.paid.2013.01.020

Controlling for IQ and impulsivity, race is unrelated to the probability that an ex-convict will be arrested.
https://www.researchgate.net/publica...udicated_youth


IQ matters more than anything else
https://www.nber.org/papers/w24110

Meta-analyses find that antisocial behavior is substantially heritable.
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jam...mnL5MFnf4-Tn0k

IQ was found to be a significant predictor of grades for both blacks and whites. Blacks and whites with similar IQ scores had roughly similar grades.
https://psycnet.apa.org/record/2016-...qvPYM6OwNPCmVg

Black White IQ adopted environment
https://reasonwithoutrestraint.com/q...white_families

Black and White IQ gap summary of the data
https://www.josephbronski.com/p/how-...k-white-iq-gap

https://seanlast.substack.com/p/pred...in-race-and-iq

No difference in heritability of IQ between races in the US

Racial and ethnic group differences in the heritability of intelligence: A systematic review and meta analysis

https://www.sciencedirect.com/scienc...60289619301904

https://www.researchgate.net/publica..._meta-analysis

Blacks have smaller Brains

brain size, iq and racial group differences evidence from musculoskeletal traits

https://www.sciencedirect.com/scienc...20IQ%20of%2090.

The correlation between adopted brothers and sisters (genetically unrelated people raised together) shows that the IQ correlation between them falls to zero in adulthood — suggesting shared childhood environment has no impact on intelligence in adulthood.

Adopted children will much more closely resemble their biological (i.e., "birth") parents in cognitive abilities than their adoptive parents. The discrepancy becomes fairly remarkable as times goes on — as the influence of the environment wanes and that of genes increases.

The IQs of children who had been adopted was much more highly correlated with the IQs of their biological parents than with their adoptive parents — this was true both when they were teenagers and when they were adults.

These findings provide further evidence for the predominance of genetic influences on adult intelligence over any other systematic source of variation
https://www.sciencedirect.com/scienc...60289621000635

Crime and IQ
https://t.co/fsYdXnhmmP

Smarter people more wealth. Iq predictive validity
https://t.co/tZLDOJV9ap

"The extremely low IQs that Lynn and Becker estimate for sub-Saharan Africa are likely not systematically underestimating African IQs, as earlier critics have claimed."
https://link.springer.com/article/10...06-022-00351-y


Twin study IQ g is mostly genetic
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19634053/

The association between lower IQ and higher antisocial behavior is a consistent finding.
https://eriskstudy.com/media/1sybyw5z/tielbeek_2022.pdf

Among brothers within the same family, the one with lower IQ ability is more likely to be convicted of a violent crime. The persistence of the effect suggests something other than socioeconomic factors — probably genetics — is in play
https://journals.plos.org/plosone/ar...l.pone.0041783


IQ and climate
https://www.sciencedirect.com/scienc...60289614000877

Black and White IQ gap is not closing
https://www.cremieux.xyz/p/the-state...e-gaps-2022-23

Link between iq and violence
https://www.cambridge.org/core/journ...44AA1D059CF735

IQ more predictive of life outcomes than class or ses
https://www.sciencedirect.com/scienc...60289620300891

Educability genes and IQ correlation
https://www.mdpi.com/2624-8611/1/1/5

IQ of adopted Blacks still 85
https://www.cambridge.org/core/books...250A4DD2964DA3

IQ is declining by country
https://www.cspicenter.com/p/are-we-getting-dumber

Were Egyptians more intelligent than Europeans 3000 years ago?

Were Southern Europeans more intelligent than Northern Europeans 1000-2000 years ago?

Possibly. There are studies showing that upper classes in Europe had more surviving children than lower classes over the last 1000 years.

Were Europeans more intelligent than the Chinese 30 years ago?

In the 1980s China was 2x poorer than SubSaharan Africa. Yet their IQ was much higher than 70. Average IQ of Arab oil rich countries is between 79-84 yet they are rich have been rich for quite some time.

[Rædwald]

I did the mensa.no one, idk how accurate it is

[gixajo]

And how do you know that it is the higher/lower IQ that produces all that, and not all that that produces higher/lower IQ?

What is the cause and what is the consequence?

The only thing directly related to my question would be this:

Higher IQ correlates with higher income
https://psycnet.apa.org/record/2007-12577-007

But it doesn't answer it.

[Colonel Frank Grimes]

N00bs talking about IQ is always amusing.

If you want to have an understanding of national IQ stop relying on Lynn or academic tests such as PISA, SATs (im well aware I did so recently in a thread about US states but it was more of a joke), and go straight to the studies themselves. For example, there is an IQ study with large samples for Portugal broken down by region (that Lynn had some sort of role but not directly) that showed Portuguse score higher than your map. I posted the study on the forum.

[gixajo]

N00bs talking about IQ is always amusing.

Lynn is not to be trusted. He's not a dishonest person, imo. He's an incompetent person. I spoke about this in a thread about Irish IQ.

If you want to have an understanding of national IQ stop relying on Lynn or academic tests suchvas PISA. SATs (im well aare I did so recentlt in a thread about US states but it was more of a joke), and go straight to the studies themselves. For example, there is an IQ study with large samples for Portugal broken down by region (that Lynn had some sort of role but directly) that showed Portugues score higher than your map. I posted the study on the forum.

Intelligence, in any case, is an individual quality.

[Colonel Frank Grimes]

Intelligence, in any case, is an individual quality.

A group is made up of individuals.

You shouldn't assume something about an individual based on their group because an average is exavlcyky what it is: an average. However, an average allows you to know a group's trend.