Caucasian Iberians on G25: Ahiska Turks and eastern Georgians

[Leto]

This woman has a Meskhetian Turkish father and a Gujarati/Marathi Indian mother. Her father is basically 100% Georgian according to this

[axlredneck]

This woman has a Meskhetian Turkish father and a Gujarati/Marathi Indian mother. Her father is basically 100% Georgian according to this

Very unique!

[Frowning Man]

What do Meskhetians and Georgians have to do with it? They have nothing Georgian left. There are practically no real Meskhetians left, most of them were slaughtered in wars, their lands were deserted and were inhabited by Turks and Armenians, and the small part that remained alive mixed heavily with the Armenians. They are almost no longer Georgians; there are a lot of former Armenians and others there.

[Kess]

Distance to: kesseras_simulated_g25_scaled
0.04393156 Turkish
0.05241323 Turkish_Ahiska
0.05783153 Armenian
0.05803367 East_Georgian_18
0.06202228 pre-Turkish
0.06429392 Armenian
0.06617964 Georgian_Meskheti_2
0.07492776 Georgian
0.07678894 Colchian
0.31242640 Dusadh
0.69413423 Surui
4.09129458 Noise

Target: kesseras_simulated_g25_scaled
Distance: 2.6401% / 0.02640092
62.4 Turkish
30.0 Colchian
6.4 Armenian
1.2 Dusadh

[axlredneck]

What do Meskhetians and Georgians have to do with it? They have nothing Georgian left. There are practically no real Meskhetians left, most of them were slaughtered in wars, their lands were deserted and were inhabited by Turks and Armenians, and the small part that remained alive mixed heavily with the Armenians. They are almost no longer Georgians; there are a lot of former Armenians and others there.

What are you talking about? Maybe the modern inhabitants of Meskheti don't have much in common with the former Meskhetians, but Meskhetian Turks are half Georgian and half Armenian (just like Kakhetians and Kartlians), excluding their minor Turkish ancestry.

[Leto]

What are you talking about? Maybe the modern inhabitants of Meskheti don't have much in common with the former Meskhetians, but Meskhetian Turks are half Georgian and half Armenian (just like Kakhetians and Kartlians), excluding their minor Turkish ancestry.

He believes most Georgians that are not Colchians are some kind of a mixture of Georgians, Armenians, North Caucasians and even Iranians. I think there must've been differences between Colchis and Iberia even a thousand years ago. And let's not forget the capital of Georgia, Tbilisi is located in Iberia, not Colchis.

[Frowning Man]

He believes most Georgians that are not Colchians are some kind of a mixture of Georgians, Armenians, North Caucasians and even Iranians. I think there must've been differences between Colchis and Iberia even a thousand years ago. And let's not forget the capital of Georgia, Tbilisi is located in Iberia, not Colchis.

Due to the fact that the capital is in the southeast, the southeast has become very mixed and not Georgian. The southeast of Georgia has absolutely nothing Georgian. West of Georgia = real Georgia and Georgians, mono-ethnic region 99% only Georgians, closed. In the east, real Georgians who are not mixed with others live only in villages, away from large cities. But fortunately, people with Western Georgian roots in Georgia are the numerical majority. The south of Georgia (Meskhians and Javakhs) is generally terrible, there are absolutely no Georgians left there. Among the Meskhs, only a few retained the purity of Georgian blood.

[Leto]

Due to the fact that the capital is in the southeast, the southeast has become very mixed and not Georgian. The southeast of Georgia has absolutely nothing Georgian. West of Georgia = real Georgia and Georgians, mono-ethnic region 99% only Georgians, closed. In the east, real Georgians who are not mixed with others live only in villages, away from large cities. But fortunately, people with Western Georgian roots in Georgia are the numerical majority. The south of Georgia (Meskhians and Javakhs) is generally terrible, there are absolutely no Georgians left there. Among the Meskhs, only a few retained the purity of Georgian blood.

Are you not in Tbilisi now?

According to the census Kakheti is 85% Georgian, 10% Azeri and they almost never mix. Practically no Armenians there.

[Frowning Man]

Are you not in Tbilisi now?

According to the census Kakheti is 85% Georgian, 10% Azeri and they almost never mix. Practically no Armenians there.

I live in Russia.

Among Eastern Georgians there are a lot of people whose mother, grandmother or great-grandmother is Armenian. They mixed quite actively with them. There are also quite a few simply former Armenians, that is, assimilated, who took Georgian surnames, for example Somekhishvili, which means Child of an Armenian. And in general, there are a lot of Armenians living in Georgia, especially near Tbilisi, and in the 18th century, when the Georgian population of Tbilisi was massacred by Aga Mohammed Khan, there was a massive influx of Armenians there. They mixed with Azerbaijanis less often, but it also happens, for example, I have about five Georgian friends whose mothers are Azerbaijani. But there are more conservative residents in the east who do not mix under any circumstances, but such people often live in villages and are quite unfriendly and conservative people. I, I want to say, among the indigenous eastern Georgians, whose ancestors lived near the cities, there are quite a few mixed people, so the southeast is a bad place, where I think there is almost nothing Georgian. Only the west and northeast have preserved original Georgia.

[Leto]

I live in Russia.

I thought you'd fled Russia when the mobilization was announced. In fact thousands of ethnic Russians have moved to Georgia.

Among Eastern Georgians there are a lot of people whose mother, grandmother or great-grandmother is Armenian. They mixed quite actively with them. There are also quite a few simply former Armenians, that is, assimilated, who took Georgian surnames, for example Somekhishvili, which means Child of an Armenian. And in general, there are a lot of Armenians living in Georgia, especially near Tbilisi, and in the 18th century, when the Georgian population of Tbilisi was massacred by Aga Mohammed Khan, there was a massive influx of Armenians there. They mixed with Azerbaijanis less often, but it also happens, for example, I have about five Georgian friends whose mothers are Azerbaijani. But there are more conservative residents in the east who do not mix under any circumstances, but such people often live in villages and are quite unfriendly and conservative people. I, I want to say, among the indigenous eastern Georgians, whose ancestors lived near the cities, there are quite a few mixed people, so the southeast is a bad place, where I think there is almost nothing Georgian. Only the west and northeast have preserved original Georgia.

Well, assimilation is a normal thing, if they have adopted the language and culture, I see nothing wrong with that. I'm sure most of those people in Southern or Eastern Georgia are just as patriotic as the Westerners. Stop stigmatizing them as armyashki