IRAN: No longer an Islamic nation

[Babak]

from curiousity in your oppinion is their a difference in looks and or culture between Azeri Iranians and Persian Iranians?

azeris have different dances and language, but the expressions, attitudes, looks, and behavior is pretty much the same.

[Tauromachos]

No offense, but i dont see much difference between iranians and arabs. They look same, they behave same etc.

Iranian and neighbouring Arab people probably share some common West Asian base ancestry but from my experience they differ in phenotype and culture, behaviour is different too.

[Babak]

Iranian and neighbouring Arab people probably share some common West Asian base ancestry but from my experience they differ in phenotype and culture, behaviour is different too.

Agreed, however, some people here seem to think Islam=same culture, which is definitely not true at all. Iranians are hundreds time closer to a christian armenian than to a Saudi arab for example.

[Nurzat]

azeris have different dances and language, but the expressions, attitudes, looks, and behavior is pretty much the same.

Babak, ssup?

I'm curious how the various ethnic groups in Iran use their native language - do they use it anymore or those ethnic maps only show the geographical historical space of these populations while they are fully or mostly Persian-speaking now? in terms of traditions and cultural stuff do they keep their own stuff as well? I imagine for example that Armenians might, because they're Christian, for example. what about others? also, what is the situation of the Kurds? I expected to be less tensioned since they're Iranic as well, but it is not so, right?

also, does Iran experience waves of Afghan/Pakistani/Bangladeshi etc. refugees? since these arrive to Europe I suppose they go over Iran first, to get to Turkey where there are large camps? do some get to settle in Iran?

[Babak]

Babak, ssup?

I'm curious how the various ethnic groups in Iran use their native language - do they use it anymore or those ethnic maps only show the geographical historical space of these populations while they are fully or mostly Persian-speaking now? in terms of traditions and cultural stuff do they keep their own stuff as well? I imagine for example that Armenians might, because they're Christian, for example. what about others? also, what is the situation of the Kurds? I expected to be less tensioned since they're Iranic as well, but it is not so, right?

also, does Iran experience waves of Afghan/Pakistani/Bangladeshi etc. refugees? since these arrive to Europe I suppose they go over Iran first, to get to Turkey where there are large camps? do some get to settle in Iran?

Minority ethnic groups keep to themselves usually, but intermarriages are also common, including kurds. However, since persian is the official language of the country and minority languages arent taught in public school, more and more people are becoming assimilated.

Iran has a shit ton of afghans and iraqis in mashad but now theyre more of them in tehran. Its not looking good and its pissing a lot of people off.

[Nurzat]

Minority ethnic groups keep to themselves usually, but intermarriages are also common, including kurds. However, since persian is the official language of the country and minority languages arent taught in public school, more and more people are becoming assimilated.

so on the streets of Tabriz, Rasht, Gorgan, you'd hear Persian mainly?
btw, how common is moving around withing the country, from one region to another? not only for studying and working but settling.

Iran has a shit ton of afghans and iraqis in mashad but now theyre more of them in tehran. Its not looking good and its pissing a lot of people off.

are they visible/do they generate any criminality or people don't like them because they're foreigners? (though Afghans are Persian as well, probably not seen as totally foreign, I suppose).

do you get any Tajiks (from Tajikistan and Uzbekistan as well)?

[SilverKnight]

Let's hope so.
Islam is pure lunacy if you think about it.

[Babak]

so on the streets of Tabriz, Rasht, Gorgan, you'd hear Persian mainly?
btw, how common is moving around withing the country, from one region to another? not only for studying and working but settling.



are they visible/do they generate any criminality or people don't like them because they're foreigners? (though Afghans are Persian as well, probably not seen as totally foreign, I suppose).

do you get any Tajiks (from Tajikistan and Uzbekistan as well)?

Havent been to tabriz in awhile but persian is common elsewhere. People in majority azeri speaking areas try to respond in azeri than persian due to the reason i explained above. People move around for different reasons.

Ironically, iranians dont see afghans as their own unfortunately whether they speak persian or not. Some do, but a lot dont.Same with tajiks, its weird.

[Oghuz]

is this map accurate, and the %? by this only about 50% of the population are Persian-proper?

is the local language the main one spoken in the streets and within the family in all those or a part of those non-Persian areas on the map or is Persian the main language in those areas as well by now?

Spoiler!

Roughly yes but urban centres are mixtures of populations. Azeri-Persian-Kurd coupling is very common in large cities. You will find younger generation people who will be a mixture of some 2-3 ethnicities.

Local languages were a proper identity thing in Pre-Pahlavi Iran but Shahi policies changed that. Ethnic languages still exist but younger generation is getting more and more assimilated thanks to Islamic Republics habit of opening Universities in every town.

[Oghuz]

Havent been to tabriz in awhile but persian is common elsewhere. People in majority azeri speaking areas try to respond in azeri than persian due to the reason i explained above. People move around for different reasons.

Ironically, iranians dont see afghans as their own unfortunately whether they speak persian or not. Some do, but a lot dont.Same with tajiks, its weird.

Azeri and Kurdish languages are still strong in strongholds but if state-enforced Persian education policies continue, they will slowly die. IRI unfortunately has continued the Shahi cultural assimilation policies which is ironic because entire elite of IRI is mostly Azeri Turk including the supreme leader himself (bayat), chief of entire military (Afshar). What benefit they are seeing in Persianization is hard to understand.