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    'Let's Just Be Albanians': A New Movement In Kosovo Calls On Muslims To Abandon Islam



    Kosovo's population of around 2 million people is thought to be about 93 percent ethnic Albanian, an overwhelming majority of whom are Muslim, along with a small number of Bosniaks and ethnic Turks.

    PRISTINA -- Vesel Lekaj insists that he and his provocatively named Movement for the Abandonment of the Islamic Faith don't oppose the religion's adherents. After all, he says, he and many of its other initiators are from Muslim families.

    The real target, he told RFE/RL's Balkan Service, is the religious extremism in any form that "has been operating in Kosovo for more than two decades."

    "We, as a sign of dissatisfaction with this phenomenon -- that is, extreme and political Islam, but also with Serbian Orthodox extremism -- have taken a measure...[with the aim] of stopping it," Lekaj told a meeting last month of the movement's founding council in the town of Decan, in Kosovo's mountainous west.

    While there has been indignation from the local Islamic community council, and an otherwise muted public response in this overwhelmingly Muslim country, it is hard to know if Lekaj should be taken at his word.

    District prosecutors have launched an investigation to determine whether Lekaj and others involved with the group have committed the crime of incitement to hatred or religious intolerance. "All those statements are being analyzed," said Shkodran Nikci, a spokesman for the prosecutor's office in Peja, which has jurisdiction over Decan. "So [we're investigating] what their aim is and, at the same time, whether there are elements of a criminal offense in their content."

    Article 141 of Kosovo's Criminal Code, adopted in 2019, allows for fines and up to five years in prison for anyone who "spreads hatred, discord, and intolerance" on religious or other grounds in a "manner that is likely to disturb the public order."

    At its inaugural meeting on October 20, the group gathered under the slogan, "Let's Just Be Albanians." An Albanian TV reporter described the three dozen or so supporters -- all of them men -- as "personalities from different fields from all over Kosovo."

    One of the speakers called the movement an effort to stop those who embrace "anti-national values." Albanians' only true religion, other speakers suggested, was "Albanianism."

    Speaking to RFE/RL, Lekaj declined to say who he believed was guilty of "Islamic religious extremism" or its Orthodox analogue. He said the movement was still in its consultative phase and had not yet established a platform.

    'Finished' With Islam

    Kosovo's population of around 2 million people is thought to be about 93 percent ethnic Albanian, an overwhelming majority of whom are Muslim, along with a small number of Bosniaks and ethnic Turks. There are also around 100,000 ethnic Serbs, most of whom are Orthodox Christians concentrated in the north and south of the country.

    Lekaj describes himself and some of his nascent movement's founders as former Muslims who have "finished" with Islam. "We are no longer on that path, and we should talk [openly] about it," he said.

    The local Muslim community in Decan reacted angrily as news spread of the founding council of the Movement for the Abandonment of the Islamic Faith. The Islamic Community of Kosovo (KBI) in Decan expressed "deep indignation" and accused the group's founders of having "no good intentions for our society." It called them agents of "divisive elements" and accused them of inciting "interreligious hatred, as well as religious and human intolerance."

    KBI cited centuries of painful history but said Decan was "known for unification and nondisruption," adding bluntly, "Stop whining." In some Muslim countries, apostasy can be punished by death, although legal executions are very rare. Islamic scholars frequently disagree over what constitutes the abandonment of Islamic faith in thought, words, and deeds.

    Kosovar Grand Mufti Naim Ternava called the movement's initiators "remnants of the communist-atheist system" that dominated then-Yugoslavia and most of the eastern bloc in the Soviet era. He argued that the Islamic community had contributed to Kosovo's war of independence from the "Serbian regime in the 1990s" and provided a "purpose for patriotism."

    Lekaj responds casually to prosecutors' investigation of his movement's activities, saying it was "normal" and pledged to cooperate if he or others are invited for questioning. "We are a secular state, we're not an Islamic state nor a theocracy," he said. "We stand by our words in the voluntary statements we made."

    'Tragicomic Situation'

    Legal and sociological experts in Kosovo interviewed by RFE/RL's Balkan Service suggested the movement's proclamations so far were likely to be protected by the constitutional right to free speech.

    Ehat Miftaraj, executive director of the nongovernmental Kosovo Law Institute, said that while it's difficult to recognize motives without knowing more about the founders' backgrounds, "based on what we've heard and seen, I doubt whether this can be considered hate speech."

    Ismail Hasani, a sociologist of religion in Pristina, says religious choice is everyone's right but called the movement's initiative on abandoning Islam "a tragicomic situation." He says he doesn't think that the Movement for the Abandonment of the Islamic Faith is serious. "What might be hidden behind it? Absolutely nothing," Hasani said, "specifically because it's a group of people who -- frustrated by the situation, dissatisfied with the general societal trends...with the fundamental values of human society -- issue an invitation that really has no meaning."

    Hasani also wonders aloud about the investigation into the group. "Ultimately, this is not a movement against religion. It's not a movement against Islam either, because all those [organizers] -- at least the ones I know, I think the majority of them -- have a familial background in the Islamic faith."

    The U.S. State Department's most recent report on religious freedom cited the Kosovar Constitution's prohibition on religion-based discrimination and guarantee of religious freedom. But it prodded Pristina over enforcement and noted that laws still had not been passed in Kosovo to allow religious groups to acquire legal status, creating obstacles to their effective functioning.

    Written by Andy Heil based on reporting by Bekim Bislimi of RFE/RL's Balkan Service

    https://www.rferl.org/a/kosovo-movem.../32667829.html

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    Abandoning Islam is good, but abandoning it for Tribalism is cringe.

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    Then become Christian. It's not like there are no Christian Albanians. The closest step would be to convert to calvinism.


    Wake up and smell the coffee.

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    A good thing. Could even be a role model for others, particularly on the Balkans with religion-fuelled conflicts.

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Old Comrade View Post
    Then become Christian. It's not like there are no Christian Albanians. The closest step would be to convert to calvinism.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rothaer View Post
    A good thing. Could even be a role model for others, particularly on the Balkans with religion-fuelled conflicts.



    Why at all join any supernatural belief/superstition?
    At least it's something.


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    Abandoning religion is one thing. The trouble is that it is usually replaced by the secular cults of hip hop, consumerism and worship of technology.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rothaer View Post
    A good thing. Could even be a role model for others, particularly on the Balkans with religion-fuelled conflicts.



    Why at all join any supernatural belief/superstition?
    Many conflicts in the Balkans are not fuelled by religion actually, for example there is no conflict between Christian
    and Muslim Albanians. In fact, the Serbs killed 377 Albanian Catholic civilians in the village Meje in Western Kosovo during the 90s

    The executions occurred in the village of Meja near the town of Gjakova. The victims were pulled from refugee convoys at a checkpoint in Meja and their families were ordered to proceed to Albania. Men and boys were separated and then executed by the road.[4][5] It is one of the largest massacres in the Kosovo War.[6] Many of the bodies of the victims were found in the Batajnica mass graves. The International Criminal Tribunal for the former Yugoslavia has convicted several Serbian army and police officers for their involvement.[7]
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meja_massacre

    Orthodox Albanians also support Muslim Albanians against Serbs.

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    They can become Christian. They renounced Christianity quite late, they can come back.

    Half of the Transylvanian Romanians were Catholic (Greek Catholic) 100 years ago. Now all of them are Orthodox.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dviz View Post
    They can become Christian. They renounced Christianity quite late, they can come back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tooting Carmen View Post
    Abandoning religion is one thing. The trouble is that it is usually replaced by the secular cults of hip hop, consumerism and worship of technology.
    I'm sure that most hip-hop listeners, consumerists and technology fans are religious or at least believers. You sound as if being religious prevents you from having shitty taste in music or from owning an iPhone.
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