2024 US Presidential Election Thread

[Smaland]

• Trump said that Israel had the right to have power over the U.S. Congress (see my first post in this thread).
• Trump actually considered forcing selected Americans to submit to interrogation by the Russian government, on U.S. soil (see my last post).
• Trump is soft on gun control: once or twice, during the 2016 campaign and / or his term in office. Trump briefly supported red-flag gun control laws. He stopped doing this when it didn't go over well with his base.

Many MAGA Republicans seem to feel that Trump is a Moses who would lead America across the Red Sea if he was elected again. I never thought of Trump that way, but I voted for him twice. But now I know better, and I won't make the same mistake again.

I see. It's a choice between him and Slow Joe, and your non-vote will help the Biden regime, which is infinitely worse than the Trump presidency.

Biden and the people around him want China to be America's boss, and Trump's statement on the radio broadcast shows that he wants Israel to be the boss. His consideration of Russian interrogation on U.S. soil can bring someone to wonder if he actually wants Russia to be on a team of bosses.

I want America to be independent again, and we won't get there with either Biden or Trump.

[Anglo-Celtic]

Biden and the people around him want China to be America's boss, and Trump's statement on the radio broadcast shows that he wants Israel to be the boss. His consideration of Russian interrogation on U.S. soil can bring someone to wonder if he actually wants Russia to be on a team of bosses. I want America to be independent again, and we won't get there with either Biden or Trump.

It's gonna be Biden *or* Trump. Your vote for a "no-chance" might as well be a vote for the former.

[PHDNM]

[CosmoLady]

Above is a photo of former U.S. Ambassador to Russia (2011-2014) Michael McFaul, and the photo was posted at the Wiki article about him. It should be noted that if Trump had accepted this proposal, then selected Americans would have been required to submit to Russian interrogation.

Do you seriously believe this? The mainstream media has been repeatedly caught lying about anything Trump-related.

The mainstream media has ZERO credibility on anything Trump-related. This seems like fodder for the typical MSNBS viewer.

Remember, the media/intelligence agencies lied for years about:
-"Trump-Russia collusion"
-Russia "hacking" the election
-the Steele dossier
-the Alfa Bank server
-Hunter Biden's laptop
-the Wuhan Lab origin of Covid
-the bogus "Russian bounties" story in Afghanistan
and many other things.

The mainstream media has also been caught lying about basic life-and-death issues, such as:
-Kyle Rittenhouse
-the death of officer Brian Sicknick
-officer Derek Chauvin and the death of George Floyd (now confirmed to be drug-related, no asphyxiation,
autopsy was changed for political reasons), https://alphanews.org/court-docs-rev...ge-floyd-case/
-the inefficacy/absurdity of masks and lockdowns (now widely known)
-the dangers of the vacccine (now widely known)
-the benefits of ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine (widely used in the rest of the world)

The mainstream media/intelligence agencies also lied for years that Assad "gassed his own people".
The "pro-Putin conspiracy theorists" were right again, what a surprise!
https://www.opcw.org/media-centre/ne...ck-marea-syria

All of these were self-evident lies to any perceptive intelligent person from the start!

And anyone who still believes the mainstream media at this point is a moron.

[Smaland]

Above is a photo of former U.S. Ambassador to Russia (2011-2014) Michael McFaul, and the photo was posted at the Wiki article about him. It should be noted that if Trump had accepted this proposal, then selected Americans would have been required to submit to Russian interrogation.

The White House has declined to rule out accepting a Russian proposal to question on US soil American people – including the former ambassador to Moscow Michael McFaul – sought by the Kremlin for “illegal activities”.

The proposal arose at Monday’s summit between the US president Donald Trump and the Russian president Vladimir Putin, and any decision by Washington to assist with an adversary’s prosecution of former (U.S.) government employees (who served) overseas would be a stunning shift in US policy, especially as it could violate the international legal principle of diplomatic immunity.
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Full story in The Guardian

Do you seriously believe this? The mainstream media has been repeatedly caught lying about anything Trump-related.

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• The foundation of my current opinion about Trump is contained in a previous post in this thread (link here). The video contains a segment of the audio from a radio talk show interview, in which the host was interviewing Trump during October, 2021. In the segment, Trump said that Israel had the right to have power over the U.S. Congress. If I listen to the video, I can hear Trump talk, he says it himself.
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• Trump was corrupt enough to be willing to sell out America in this fashion, and he's never publicly and sincerely repented of this. Therefore, it follows that he was corrupt enough to bow the knee to Putin, to the extent that he considered forcing Americans to submit to Russian interrogation on U.S. soil.
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• The Guardian was founded in 1821 as The Manchester Guardian. If it had acquired a reputation for being untruthful over the years, it might no longer be in business.
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• Before the war, I was mostly neutral about Putin, and I followed a number of Russian vloggers on YouTube. I never made any serious plans, but I even thought a little about taking a tour on the Trans-Siberian Railway (I like trains). I say these things to show that I haven't been reflexively anti-Russian. Instead, I'm anti-imperialist, anti-Communist, and anti-Putin.
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• If Trump were to sincerely become a loyal American, and stay that way, then I could change my mind about him (I say "could" because it takes time to see whether or not someone has turned over a new leaf). But until then, I'll keep the opinion that I now have.

[Ortho Man]

Ain't nobody gonna beat sweet daddy Trump!

[CosmoLady]

[LIST][*] The foundation of my current opinion about Trump is contained in a previous post in this thread (link here). The video contains a segment of the audio from a radio talk show interview, in which the host was interviewing Trump during October, 2021. In the segment, Trump said that Israel had the right to have power over the U.S. Congress. If I listen to the video, I can hear Trump talk, he says it himself.

You base your entire opinion of Trump on ONE WORD he uttered in 2021? Are you kidding me?
He was describing past decades and trying to say that Israel was morally right in the past, nothing more.

Trump has also stated that he is very disappointed/no longer trusts Netanyahu, and Kushner will not be part of his administration.

I think that your Trump Derangement Syndrome goes back far before 2021 and is unlikely to change;

TDS is usually emotional, irrational, feminine.

Trump Derangement Syndrome, Putin Derangement Syndrome, Havana Syndrome, Long Covid are all related social contagions.

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[*] Trump was corrupt enough to be willing to sell out America in this fashion, and he's never publicly and sincerely repented of this.

Why does he need to repent for something that he did not do or say?

Any examples of "Trump selling out America" ?
The vast majority of Republicans do not believe this, and a large majority of Democrats seem to hate America.

Trump was patriotic and nationalistic, and large majorities of patriotic, nationalistic, and conservative people supported him.
Trump's opponents are most elites, liberals, socialists, timid centrists, RINOs, and maybe some with psychological issues.

Therefore, it follows that he was corrupt enough to bow the knee to Putin, to the extent that he considered forcing Americans to submit to Russian interrogation on U.S. soil.[*] The Guardian was founded in 1821 as The Manchester Guardian. If it had acquired a reputation for being untruthful over the years, it might no longer be in business.

The main source of the article is Michael McFaul himself, who is a shrill Trump-hater and neocon, not a reliable source.

The article is about nothing.
Trump's press secretary apparently refused to comment about something that Trump refused to comment about with Putin. LOL

The Guardian repeatedly lied for years about all the major stories I listed above, and more. The media is not reliable.

I read The Guardian too, and most of its articles are garbage. I mostly read it to understand the mainstream leftist elite mindset.
The Guardian does have some interesting investigations by real journalists,
but this is only a small minority of its content.

[Smaland]

(response to my prior post)

Quotation of Trump, at the very end of the video (that I linked to in my last post): “They had such power --Israel had such power -- and rightfully over Congress and now it doesn't. It's incredible, actually.” Clearly, Trump was saying that Israel rightfully had power over Congress, nothing less.

This proves that Trump was not patriotic at all, to say the least. No President who was a loyal American would say something like this.

Whether or not Trump approves of Netanyahu at the present time is beside the point. Trump has never publicly owned up to what he said, he has not made a sincere apology, and he doesn't seem to have changed.

Evolution of my opinion of Trump: as I’ve said before, in the past I believed in Trump to the degree that I voted for him twice. Now that I know better, I won’t vote for him any longer. My decision is based on facts, not simple emotion.


Response to your assertions about Trump's opponents:

• I’m an independent, but the President of recent times whose policies might be closest to my own thinking is Ronald Reagan, who was the U.S. President from 1981-1989.
• In a 1983 speech, Reagan described the Soviet Union as an “evil empire”, and Putin has been in the process of bringing this back.
• During Reagan's time in office, one thing that the U.S. Government did was to bring back four Iowa-class battleships, which were equipped with long-range nuclear-tipped cruise missiles.
• From an economic point of view, the best thing for the U.S. would be a return to the version of capitalism that we had from the end of World War II through the 1960’s, and to a lesser degree afterward. It's tried and tested.

Mr. McFaul and The Guardian: since you’ve said that Mr. McFaul is a “shrill Trump hater”, and that this news site is untruthful, you should be willing to provide specific, substantive evidence to back up your claims; arbitrary assertions simply aren’t sufficient.

Evidence of Trump being at least willing to sell out America:

• since he actually said so, Trump thought that Israel had the right to have power over Congress
• Trump considered forcing Americans to submit to Russian interrogation, on U.S. soil

[Anglo-Celtic]

Do you seriously believe this? The mainstream media has been repeatedly caught lying about anything Trump-related.

The mainstream media has ZERO credibility on anything Trump-related. This seems like fodder for the typical MSNBS viewer.

Remember, the media/intelligence agencies lied for years about:
-"Trump-Russia collusion"
-Russia "hacking" the election
-the Steele dossier
-the Alfa Bank server
-Hunter Biden's laptop
-the Wuhan Lab origin of Covid
-the bogus "Russian bounties" story in Afghanistan
and many other things.

The mainstream media has also been caught lying about basic life-and-death issues, such as:
-Kyle Rittenhouse
-the death of officer Brian Sicknick
-officer Derek Chauvin and the death of George Floyd (now confirmed to be drug-related, no asphyxiation,
autopsy was changed for political reasons), https://alphanews.org/court-docs-rev...ge-floyd-case/
-the inefficacy/absurdity of masks and lockdowns (now widely known)
-the dangers of the vacccine (now widely known)
-the benefits of ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine (widely used in the rest of the world)

The mainstream media/intelligence agencies also lied for years that Assad "gassed his own people".
The "pro-Putin conspiracy theorists" were right again, what a surprise!
https://www.opcw.org/media-centre/ne...ck-marea-syria

All of these were self-evident lies to any perceptive intelligent person from the start!

And anyone who still believes the mainstream media at this point is a moron.

I knew that they were lying propagandists since I was 16 (private story because my dad was high up in a corporation at the time). The DNC MSM are so dishonest that Kim Jong Un tells them to take it down a notch. The Fourth Estate is a Fifth Column. My rule of thumb is that all they say is the *opposite* of the truth.

[CosmoLady]

Quotation of Trump, at the very end of the video (that I linked to in my last post): “They had such power --Israel had such power -- and rightfully over Congress and now it doesn't. It's incredible, actually.” Clearly, Trump was saying that Israel rightfully had power over Congress, nothing less.
This proves that Trump was not patriotic at all, to say the least. No President who was a loyal American would say something like this.

Every Republican and Democrat president and senator has been 110% supportive of Israel for decades,
including Ronald Reagan, right or wrong, for better or worse.

Why do you hold Trump to a different standard than every other US president and senator?

If opposition to aiding Israel is your top issue, when there are much bigger problems domestically and internationally,
then this would preclude ever voting for any mainstream political candidate.
Logically, if you were consistent, you would never vote or would never have voted for any Republican or Democrat.

Trump was better than any other US president in recent history, including in the foreign policy department,
notice how there was peace in the Middle East and peace in Ukraine under Trump.

So what does it matter a word that Trump might have said, if this was the RESULT?

Trump talks A LOT anyway, more than anyone, so occasionally he might say a word that is wrong.
But his heart is in the right place, and his accomplishments were incredible.

Actions speak louder than words, most men understand this.

Mr. McFaul and The Guardian: since you’ve said that Mr. McFaul is a “shrill Trump hater”, and that this news site is untruthful, you should be willing to provide specific, substantive evidence to back up your claims; arbitrary assertions simply aren’t sufficient.

Evidence of Trump being at least willing to sell out America:

• since he actually said so, Trump thought that Israel had the right to have power over Congress
• Trump considered forcing Americans to submit to Russian interrogation, on U.S. soil

Michael McFaul is a partisan hack neocon who has been caught lying many times,
and is not a reliable source for anything except lies.

Michael McFaul is a national disgrace of an ambassador; yet like most US diplomats, Michael McFaul lies for a living.
(Michael McFaul has admitted to lying often as a career diplomat, and he lied to Ukraine about its prospects for joining NATO.)
So why on earth would any reasonable person believe him?

Michael McFaul (like The Guardian) repeatedly lied for years about "Trump-Russia collusion",
and covered for Hunter Biden and Biden family corruption.

The story is a nothing-burger and has no sources, no smoking gun, only Michael McFaul's slanders.

The Guardian is also fake news, and has been caught omitting, manipulating, lying about many things over the years.
Occasionally, rarely, the Guardian produces decent investigative reports.

The Guardian, like most mainstream media, is mostly for naive old people and gullible morons.
(The Guardian also wants us to eat insects and stop using the internal combustion engine.)

Lying in favour of the prevailing permanent regime is more common than telling the truth.

All mainstream media, including the Guardian, has lied repeatedly and profoundly about the following things, and many more:

-"Trump-Russia collusion"
-Russia "hacking" the election
-the Steele dossier
-the Alfa Bank server
-Hunter Biden's laptop
-the Wuhan Lab origin of Covid
-the bogus "Russian bounties" story in Afghanistan
and many other things.

-Kyle Rittenhouse
-the death of officer Brian Sicknick
-officer Derek Chauvin and the death of George Floyd (now confirmed to be drug-related, no asphyxiation,
autopsy was changed for political reasons), https://alphanews.org/court-docs-rev...ge-floyd-case/
-the inefficacy/absurdity of masks and lockdowns (now widely known)
-the dangers of the vacccine (now widely known)

Response to your assertions about Trump's opponents:

• I’m an independent, but the President of recent times whose policies might be closest to my own thinking is Ronald Reagan, who was the U.S. President from 1981-1989.
• In a 1983 speech, Reagan described the Soviet Union as an “evil empire”, and Putin has been in the process of bringing this back.
• During Reagan's time in office, one thing that the U.S. Government did was to bring back four Iowa-class battleships, which were equipped with long-range nuclear-tipped cruise missiles.
• From an economic point of view, the best thing for the U.S. would be a return to the version of capitalism that we had from the end of World War II through the 1960’s, and to a lesser degree afterward. It's tried and tested.

I can see that you are stuck in the PAST.
This is the boomer stereotype: inability to cope or understand the PRESENT or plan for the FUTURE beyond the boomer's lifespan.
I like the past too, but one should not be stuck in it.

Nostalgia, naivete, and the inability to adapt is fatal for a nation and its people.
This is why national leaders in their prime are 40 or 50,
unless they are truly extraordinary, energetic, healthy individuals with an intense life full of experience.

Reagan, Eisenhower, Truman, etc might have been perfect FOR THEIR TIME,
but their conditions were totally different and the US was much stronger then.

Unfortunately the US has severe domestic difficulties currently, the hour is late, drastic action is needed.

Whether or not Trump approves of Netanyahu at the present time is beside the point. Trump has never publicly owned up to what he said, he has not made a sincere apology, and he doesn't seem to have changed.

Evolution of my opinion of Trump: as I’ve said before, in the past I believed in Trump to the degree that I voted for him twice. Now that I know better, I won’t vote for him any longer. My decision is based on facts, not simple emotion.

I have not seen any facts from you, I have seen only subjective value judgments,
twisting words, and slanders from Michael McFaul, who is known for lying.

The facts are:

-The inflation rate was much lower under Trump.
-Fuel prices were much lower under Trump.
-Electricity prices were much lower under Trump.
-Food prices were much lower under Trump.
-Cost of living was much lower under Trump.
-Interest rates and mortgage rates were much lower under Trump.
-Real wages were higher under Trump.
-Real wages were increasing under Trump.
-Labour force participation was higher under Trump (unemployment, underemployment were lower).
-The economy was doing well under Trump, mostly growing well except briefly during covid.
-Crime was lower under Trump, yet has been growing since the 2nd half of 2020, at least in blue areas.
-Mass migration was much lower under Trump.
-There were far more deportations and drug seizures under Trump.
-There was world peace under Trump; no Middle East war, no Ukraine War, etc.

The facts are that any logical, objective person prefers Trump.

And Trump's support is increasing across all demographics in all categories,
so you are going in the opposite direction from the rest of your country.

On the issues, notice how much perceptions have changed in Trump's favour: