Most Whitewashed Ethnicity in TA

[Avicenna]

Oh, I actually don't really have an exact reason, as I said it is just kind of what I always referred to myself as, not really based on anything. I have always called myself a Coastal Syrian, most people do not use the term "Levantine" in everyday life, many of them do not even know what the Levant is. I do feel there is some difference culturally, but to be frank I will always feel this way, because of the different demographics. The religious part is the biggest factor, as a Christian I feel closer to Alawites than I do to Sunnis, and thus I identify more with my specific area as opposed to Levantine Syria as a whole.

I was curious, but I could not find any Hama or Homs samples for G25— here is a distance for some other Levantine Syrian populations:

Distance to: Sacha_scaled
0.06761577 Syrian_Idlib_(Levantine_Profile)
0.06885868 Syrian_Damascus
0.06964353 Syrian_Aleppo_(Levantine_Profile)

But if I introduce some other non-Syrian East Med samples, they get pushed all the way down. But the distance for those is still not ideal, so there is something silly going on.

Distance to: Sacha_scaled
0.03810363 Lebanese_Christian_Greek_Orthodox
0.03901910 Lebanese_Christian_Maronite
0.03956322 Lebanese_Christian
0.04299603 Greek_Cyprus
0.04607985 Greek_Cyprus_(Lebanese_Christian_Maronite_Profile)
0.05307997 Lebanese_Christian_Melkite
0.05517466 Greek_Cappadocia_Kaisareia
0.05667559 Lebanese_Muslim_Shia
0.06014659 Greek_Cappadocia
0.06394477 Lebanese_Muslim_(Syrio-Mesopotamian_Profile)
0.06761577 Syrian_Idlib_(Levantine_Profile)
0.06885868 Syrian_Damascus
0.06945321 Greek_Cyprus_(Aegean_Greek_Profile)
0.06964353 Syrian_Aleppo_(Levantine_Profile)

This is just my personal perception & results, there will be a difference in other populations of course. For sure I am closer to someone from Hama than someone from Deir ez-Zor, but that is a given. I just use this term because I feel like it mostly

I wouldn't read into these too much, there's Alot of flaws in these runs and you have to remember it's not science backed by real life qualified academics, so there is huge margin for error.

[thatoneton]

I was not referring to Poles in particular but Central Europeans in general. Do you agree that there are more people with a typically Mediterranean level of swarthiness in the region than in the British Isles? Still atypical cases of course but nevertheless somewhat more common.

Typically Mediterranean is maybe a little too much, I had a friend who was half Polish-half Spanish and I can very much assure you I have never seen a Pole with such a dark complexion (even though he was only half Spanish).
However Spanish people that I have seen in Poland (at least I assume they were Spanish based on what sounded like Spanish to me) were actually sometimes more "light" so there's more room for interpretation.
"Atypical" is a problematic term, because there are people who are for example 50% (or more) Black - from mixed marriages - so no matter how rare one could still count them as "atypical" Poles, can't they?
Even if we discount people like this, still what percentage of people would have a certain complexion typically depends on a chance (is random in a group).

I ask your general location because I have only seen skin data for Poles from certain regions and maybe your region is fairer than others. I don't mean to pry unnecessarily. Majer and Kopernicki found 7.57% swarthy (śniada) complexions among 1175 Galician Pole males so it is probably always below 10%.

I doubt that one region being fairer or not is really a visible thing in Poland - it's more of a TA thing, in real life the couple of percents of difference is hard to spot on your own.

[StonyArabia]

Oh, I actually don't really have an exact reason, as I said it is just kind of what I always referred to myself as, not really based on anything. I have always called myself a Coastal Syrian, most people do not use the term "Levantine" in everyday life, many of them do not even know what the Levant is. I do feel there is some difference culturally, but to be frank I will always feel this way, because of the different demographics. The religious part is the biggest factor, as a Christian I feel closer to Alawites than I do to Sunnis, and thus I identify more with my specific area as opposed to Levantine Syria as a whole.

I was curious, but I could not find any Hama or Homs samples for G25— here is a distance for some other Levantine Syrian populations:

Distance to: Sacha_scaled
0.06761577 Syrian_Idlib_(Levantine_Profile)
0.06885868 Syrian_Damascus
0.06964353 Syrian_Aleppo_(Levantine_Profile)

But if I introduce some other non-Syrian East Med samples, they get pushed all the way down. But the distance for those is still not ideal, so there is something silly going on.

Distance to: Sacha_scaled
0.03810363 Lebanese_Christian_Greek_Orthodox
0.03901910 Lebanese_Christian_Maronite
0.03956322 Lebanese_Christian
0.04299603 Greek_Cyprus
0.04607985 Greek_Cyprus_(Lebanese_Christian_Maronite_Profile)
0.05307997 Lebanese_Christian_Melkite
0.05517466 Greek_Cappadocia_Kaisareia
0.05667559 Lebanese_Muslim_Shia
0.06014659 Greek_Cappadocia
0.06394477 Lebanese_Muslim_(Syrio-Mesopotamian_Profile)
0.06761577 Syrian_Idlib_(Levantine_Profile)
0.06885868 Syrian_Damascus
0.06945321 Greek_Cyprus_(Aegean_Greek_Profile)
0.06964353 Syrian_Aleppo_(Levantine_Profile)

This is just my personal perception & results, there will be a difference in other populations of course. For sure I am closer to someone from Hama than someone from Deir ez-Zor, but that is a given. I just use this term because I feel like it mostly

Deir ez-Zor is a Bedouin area that’s strongly connected to Iraq and Saudi Arabia

[Kess]

Deir ez-Zor is a Bedouin area that’s strongly connected to Iraq and Saudi Arabia

Y-DNA
T(Adyghean ancestors)

Less than %2 of Circassians have T haplogroup.

[Melkiirs]

Typically Mediterranean is maybe a little too much, I had a friend who was half Polish-half Spanish and I can very much assure you I have never seen a Pole with such a dark complexion (even though he was only half Spanish).
However Spanish people that I have seen in Poland (at least I assume they were Spanish based on what sounded like Spanish to me) were actually sometimes more "light" so there's more room for interpretation.
"Atypical" is a problematic term, because there are people who are for example 50% (or more) Black - from mixed marriages - so no matter how rare one could still count them as "atypical" Poles, can't they?
Even if we discount people like this, still what percentage of people would have a certain complexion typically depends on a chance (is random in a group).


I doubt that one region being fairer or not is really a visible thing in Poland - it's more of a TA thing, in real life the couple of percents of difference is hard to spot on your own.

Was this half Spanish former friend as dark as Mats Hummels in this photo who is what is fairly typical for much of Southern Europe:


You are right about the differences being the matter of only a few percent. Truly swarthy complexions would be rather atypical (single digits) among ethnic Poles throughout all regions. When you mention dark British people what kind of complexion are you referring to? Is is it just sallow slightly less than fair or clearly brownish?

[Odelia]

Turks and Armenians.

Not sure about Armenians, but Turks and Afghans are up there!

[Pater Patota]

Y-DNA
T(Adyghean ancestors)

Less than %2 of Circassians have T haplogroup.

HG T is East Med&Mesopotamian.

[Kess]

HG T is East Med&Mesopotamian.

I think his T unlikely to be Circassian. I want to know why he thinks T comes from his Adyghean ancestors.

[Pater Patota]

Some people relate hg T with Sumerians or Elamites.

[Kess]

Some people relate hg T with Sumerians or Elamites.

It's an East African haplogroup imo.