Make Mortimer read King, Warrior, Magician, Lover by DM&G and The Problem of the Puer Aeternus

[fyodorov]

If any of you are into Jungian psychology, then you"ll know this will be an extremely hard read for him. Let's petition for it.

[Mortimer]

Puer is latin and means boy... That is what i remember from studying latin in school aeternus could mean eternal always a boy... for example

I mean it could be correct that im way too childish for my age?

[fyodorov]

Puer is latin and means boy... That is what i remember from studying latin in school aeternus could mean eternal always a boy... for example

I mean it could be correct that im way too childish for my age?

Let me quote Jung; "In the analytical psychology of Carl Jung, the term is used to describe an older person whose emotional life has remained at an adolescent level, which is also known as "Peter Pan syndrome" "

[fyodorov]

This applies to you, I wonder what you would be like if you read about the mature archetypes.

[Mortimer]

Let me quote Jung; "In the analytical psychology of Carl Jung, the term is used to describe an older person whose emotional life has remained at an adolescent level, which is also known as "Peter Pan syndrome" "

True but i also didnt had much life experience, to make a mature emotionally, i mean i didnt went through raising children or really many work experiences or anything... It is environmental

[Mortimer]

This applies to you, I wonder what you would be like if you read about the mature archetypes.

I could read it, but i think people grow up with life experiences, like marriage, children, work etc. i never had that

[fyodorov]

I could read it, but i think people grow up with life experiences, like marriage, children, work etc. i never had that

That's one aspect of it, there is are intellectual and understanding involved as well. Let me quote another excerpt;

"Marie-Louis von Franz, a Swiss psychologist, noticed a disturbing trend in the mid-20th century – many men and women who were well into their adult years remained psychologically stunted in their maturation. The puer aeternus, which is Latin for “eternal child”, was originally the term used in mythology to refer to a child god who remains forever young. In one of her lectures von Franz describes the puer aeternus as the individual who “…remains too long in adolescent psychology; that is, all those characteristics that are normal in a youth of seventeen or eighteen are continued into later life, coupled in most cases with too great a dependence on the mother.”

Von Franz predicted that in the coming decades what she called “the problem of the puer aeternus would spread across the world and affect more and more individuals. Her predictions have proven remarkably accurate. Many young men are struggling academically, socially, spiritually, financially, and sexually. They are living at home into their late 20s and 30s, choosing to remain in the comforting confines of their parents’ care rather than testing the unknown waters of independence. Instead of striving to create something of themselves, many prefer the familiar and comfortable virtual worlds of internet, pornography, and video games. They are passive wanderers in life with no path or purpose, save the pursuit of momentary pleasure to ease their suffering. Based on the scope of this problem, it would not be far fetched to claim that the problem of the puer aeternus is the primary neurosis of the modern age. According to von Franz, a strong mother complex stunts the maturation of many today. A man who has a mother complex will always have to contend with his tendencies toward becoming a puer aeternus"

[Mortimer]

That's one aspect of it, there is are intellectual and understanding involved as well. Let me quote another excerpt;

"Marie-Louis von Franz, a Swiss psychologist, noticed a disturbing trend in the mid-20th century – many men and women who were well into their adult years remained psychologically stunted in their maturation. The puer aeternus, which is Latin for “eternal child”, was originally the term used in mythology to refer to a child god who remains forever young. In one of her lectures von Franz describes the puer aeternus as the individual who “…remains too long in adolescent psychology; that is, all those characteristics that are normal in a youth of seventeen or eighteen are continued into later life, coupled in most cases with too great a dependence on the mother.”

Von Franz predicted that in the coming decades what she called “the problem of the puer aeternus would spread across the world and affect more and more individuals. Her predictions have proven remarkably accurate. Many young men are struggling academically, socially, spiritually, financially, and sexually. They are living at home into their late 20s and 30s, choosing to remain in the comforting confines of their parents’ care rather than testing the unknown waters of independence. Instead of striving to create something of themselves, many prefer the familiar and comfortable virtual worlds of internet, pornography, and video games. They are passive wanderers in life with no path or purpose, save the pursuit of momentary pleasure to ease their suffering. Based on the scope of this problem, it would not be far fetched to claim that the problem of the puer aeternus is the primary neurosis of the modern age. According to von Franz, a strong mother complex stunts the maturation of many today. A man who has a mother complex will always have to contend with his tendencies toward becoming a puer aeternus"

I agree describes me well except that i dont have a "mother complex" but i do depend on my mother and always lived with my parents and not only her, but also others. I depend on others. That is true.

[fyodorov]

Ask your therapist/social worker about this topic, I dont know if I am wasting my time here but here goes nothing

There are 4 immature archetypes which mature into the following 4; Divine Child ---> King, Hero ---->Warrior, Precocious child ----> Magician, Oedipal Child ---> Lover

the shadows of which are +high chair tyrant -weakling prince, grandstander bully -coward, know it all trickster dummy, mamas boy dreamer

the mature shadows are tyrant weakling, sadist, masochist, detached manipulator, denying innocent one, addicted lover impotent lover

the archetypes are within each other, the inner immature core and outer mature side enveloping it. It makes such a huge difference. All the people in family were Pueri,
with the exception of my siblings; my mother, my father, and my maternal relatives. It's a night and day difference. I hope its not to abstract to conceive of this for you, would have been far easier to link to an image, but I am a masochist -_-

[Mortimer]

Ask your therapist/social worker about this topic, I dont know if I am wasting my time here but as example.

There are 4 immature archetypes which mature into the following 4; Divine Child ---> King, Hero ---->Warrior, Precocious child ----> Magician, Oedipal Child ---> Lover

the shadows of which are +high chair tyrant -weakling prince, grandstander bully -coward, know it all trickster dummy, mamas boy dreamer

the mature shadows are tyrant weakling, sadist, masochist, detached manipulator, denying innocent one, addicted lover impotent lover

the archetypes are within each other, the inner immature core and outer mature side enveloping it. It makes such a huge difference. All the people in family were Pueri,
with the exception of my siblings, my mother, my father, and my maternal relatives. It's a night and day difference. I hope its not to abstract to conceive of this for you, would have been far easier to link to an image, but I am a masochist -_-

Sounds to me as if 90% people would be affected somehow by one of those... sounds very general or broad. I might read it thanks for the suggestion.