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    Default How much of the English is pure English in England?

    If we exclude individuals with immigrant ancestry and those with Irish, Welsh, Cornish, and Scottish backgrounds, what percentage of pure English would remain?

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    Based on your definition, I doubt it goes much beyond 50%. Even many White people in England at the very least have other British Isles ancestry, if not from further afield.

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    You can find pure English anywhere in England that isnt a city.

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    Quote Originally Posted by drb234 View Post
    You can find pure English anywhere in England that isn't a city.
    I don't think the city-countryside gap is so big in that respect, especially factoring in the border regions. For example, rural areas of Gloucestershire, Herefordshire, Shropshire and Cheshire have lots of Welsh surnames; similarly, rural areas of Cumbria and Northumberland have lots of Scottish surnames.

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    Quote Originally Posted by drb234 View Post
    England that isnt a city.
    No, it is.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Tooting Carmen View Post
    I don't think the city-countryside gap is so big in that respect, especially factoring in the border regions. For example, rural areas of Gloucestershire, Herefordshire, Shropshire and Cheshire have lots of Welsh surnames; similarly, rural areas of Cumbria and Northumberland have lots of Scottish surnames.
    It is probably different in places like the East Midlands and Yorkshire. Everyone I know has English surnames except for immigrants from other countries

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tooting Carmen View Post
    Based on your definition, I doubt it goes much beyond 50%. Even many White people in England at the very least have other British Isles ancestry, if not from further afield.
    Didn't you have threads of 'Welsh' convicts with Irish surnames overrepresented? There was an English guy who told me once most English thugs were actually Irish or had Irish ancestry ('they have the Wayne Rooney look') but initially just thought, 'Well, he doesn't like the Irish' because he didn't like the Irish (IRA reasons).

    I'm curious to know if descendants of Irish immigrants have the same, lower, or higher rates of crime.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel Frank Grimes View Post
    Didn't you have threads of 'Welsh' convicts with Irish surnames overrepresented? There was an English guy who told me once most English thugs were actually Irish or had Irish ancestry ('they have the Wayne Rooney look') but initially just thought, 'Well, he doesn't like the Irish' because he didn't like the Irish (IRA reasons).

    I'm curious to know if descendants of Irish immigrants have the same, lower, or higher rates of crime.
    It is true that Irish surnames are overrepresented among the White working-class/underclass, whether in Wales or elsewhere in Britain.

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